RUMOUR - David Hoilet

[bracksroyal10]

Well if you think about it apart from Sweeney who have we actually paid a fee for?

Surely we are in a position to offer him a fair amount of money maybe there should be some clause in his deal where his wages go up by so much if we were to stay up e.g. 40k a week signing on rising to 50k if we survive. Would make sense with the money we would get for staying up don't we pocket something like an extra £10 million as well this year.

[JS28ZoD]

Well if you think about it apart from Sweeney who have we actually paid a fee for?

Although we have been making 'free' transfers, don't underestimate the impact this has on the signing on fee's paid to the players.

For instance, in order to sign the Pog I have been informed that it was our substantial multi-million pound signing on fee which blew the other teams out of the water. This is a similar tactic employed by Stoke in previous years.

So although it may appear we are getting free transfers, it may be the case where we are actually spending a fair bit of money upfront.

[MouldyRoyal]

Well if you think about it apart from Sweeney who have we actually paid a fee for?

Surely we are in a position to offer him a fair amount of money maybe there should be some clause in his deal where his wages go up by so much if we were to stay up e.g. 40k a week signing on rising to 50k if we survive. Would make sense with the money we would get for staying up don't we pocket something like an extra £10 million as well this year.

Why does it matter if we're paying transfer fees or not? Surely the only thing that matters is the quality of the players we're getting in.

Guthrie and Pog? Fantastic.

[USA_Loyal_Royal]

Well if you think about it apart from Sweeney who have we actually paid a fee for?

Surely we are in a position to offer him a fair amount of money maybe there should be some clause in his deal where his wages go up by so much if we were to stay up e.g. 40k a week signing on rising to 50k if we survive. Would make sense with the money we would get for staying up don't we pocket something like an extra £10 million as well this year.

Why does it matter if we're paying transfer fees or not? Surely the only thing that matters is the quality of the players we're getting in.

Guthrie and Pog? Fantastic.

i agree, for the most part their wages are making up for most of the transfer fee anyway. i would like to see us sign a few non-freebies. i wonder how this will effect fifa 13?

[MouldyRoyal]

Well if you think about it apart from Sweeney who have we actually paid a fee for?

Surely we are in a position to offer him a fair amount of money maybe there should be some clause in his deal where his wages go up by so much if we were to stay up e.g. 40k a week signing on rising to 50k if we survive. Would make sense with the money we would get for staying up don't we pocket something like an extra £10 million as well this year.

Why does it matter if we're paying transfer fees or not? Surely the only thing that matters is the quality of the players we're getting in.

Guthrie and Pog? Fantastic.

i agree, for the most part their wages are making up for most of the transfer fee anyway. i would like to see us sign a few non-freebies. i wonder how this will effect fifa 13?

EDIT: Firstly, free players are not really free, you often pay signing on fees to the player to encourage them to come to your club over another's (probably not the case with Shorey).

Secondly, why do you want non-freebies (ignoring for a moment that they're not actually free)? Is it because we're somehow only getting the dregs of players that other teams don't want? Because that's clearly rubbish. You should be glad that we're not paying huge sums to rival clubs boosting their own transfer pots. If the players we're getting in aren't good enough, you may have a valid point.

Thirdly, who gives a solitary f*ck how it affects a bloody game? (I say this as someone who enjoys computer games).

[bracksroyal10]

I meant it in the fact that why splash out transfer fees on players as well as wages, we would be better off giving Hoilett good terms in a contract and once again effectively paying nothing money for a player that is going to be very big eventually. Even if it was a £2 million signing on fee still an absolute bargain for Hoilett

[Blakey's Right Peg]

All signs pointing to Loftus Road with this one apparently.

[Ian Royal]

It's not how much you spend, it's how you spend that is important.

[Friday's Legacy]

All signs pointing to Loftus Road with this one apparently.

Seems so. Some bookies no longer taking bets on him going to QPR. Apparently in advanced talks.

[Pool and Darts]

Just for info regarding the transfer fees vs wages debate:

I recently read an excellent book called 'Why England lose and other curious football phenomena explained' which is written by a couple of journos/ statisticians who have an interesting, scientific, data-based approach to studying football.

Now, as much as football is not about pure data, and it is a lot to do with the fit into the squad, tactics etc, etc. there are some really interesting observations in the book.

One that I found really interesting is that, judging success by how high you finish in the league table, transfer fees are not a reliable indicator, as they fluctuate too much with too many variables having an effect, such as length of contract left to run, nationality, reputation etc, and especially in the same year as a major championships (world cup, euros), as clubs are still liable to fall into the trap of paying over the odds for a player that has 3 good performances on the telly.

There was, however, a 92% correlation between wages paid and how high you finish up the table. Statistically, that is a very significant link and has been proven over many seasons of data, so is very reliable.

The bottom line is, that whilst transfer fees grab headlines and attention, the fact is that the higher wages you pay the better players you get and the better your team performs. The remaining 8% of the data will be down to variables such as luck, tactics or whatever.

[Platypuss]

If we started paying the likes of Brett Williams and Nicholas Bignall £40k a week we wouldn't suddenly become Europa League candidates.

Wages are just the best proxy available for quality.

[Pool and Darts]

If we started paying the likes of Brett Williams and Nicholas Bignall £40k a week we wouldn't suddenly become Europa League candidates.

Correct. And why would we? that would just be silly.

[Reading4eva]

Thirdly, who gives a solitary f*ck how it affects a bloody game? (I say this as someone who enjoys computer games).

I do, I want us to be in the Premier League bit not the Championship bit next season!

[BrockManson]

So he's been touted for moves to Spurs, NUFC, Gladbach (who are in the Europa League i believe) and he's looking likely to sign for QPR?
What a tit.

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

So he's been touted for moves to Spurs, NUFC, Gladbach (who are in the Europa League i believe) and he's looking likely to sign for QPR?
What a tit.

..guess they're the mugs who met his obscene wage demands....

[Barry the bird boggler]

Just for info regarding the transfer fees vs wages debate:

I recently read an excellent book called 'Why England lose and other curious football phenomena explained' which is written by a couple of journos/ statisticians who have an interesting, scientific, data-based approach to studying football.

Now, as much as football is not about pure data, and it is a lot to do with the fit into the squad, tactics etc, etc. there are some really interesting observations in the book.

One that I found really interesting is that, judging success by how high you finish in the league table, transfer fees are not a reliable indicator, as they fluctuate too much with too many variables having an effect, such as length of contract left to run, nationality, reputation etc, and especially in the same year as a major championships (world cup, euros), as clubs are still liable to fall into the trap of paying over the odds for a player that has 3 good performances on the telly.

There was, however, a 92% correlation between wages paid and how high you finish up the table. Statistically, that is a very significant link and has been proven over many seasons of data, so is very reliable.

The bottom line is, that whilst transfer fees grab headlines and attention, the fact is that the higher wages you pay the better players you get and the better your team performs. The remaining 8% of the data will be down to variables such as luck, tactics or whatever.

Nothing to do with the fact that generally the technically better players command the higher wages then

[ZacNaloen]

I really want to bold the final sentence for Barry but quoting the post, highlighting the relevant phrase etc would actually take longer than typing this sentence out so can't be bothered.

[genome]

Looks like QPR are going to have to pay a "training fee" to Blackburn, around £4m.

[Reading4eva]

Looks like QPR are going to have to pay a "training fee" to Blackburn, around £4m.

I wonder if QPR would pay me to work there... the wages sound damn good. I'm demanding £80k per year plus benefits please

[Kingsley Junior]

So he's been touted for moves to Spurs, NUFC, Gladbach (who are in the Europa League i believe) and he's looking likely to sign for QPR?
What a tit.

Gladbach are in the Champions League actually, which only heightens your point! (Saying that, they have to play a qualifying round and have lost some key players so will probably end up in the Europa League!)