Justice For The 96

[LoyalRoyalFan]

The fact of the matter is that the police have behaved inexcusably and their actions should be punished.

[ankeny]

I think you're missing the point m8.

Are you saying that if all the Liverpool fans queued up with their ticket in hand and only entered the stadium once their ticket had been seen the crush would not have happened?

I'm saying if people were more patient in general and acted more responsibly in public, without only thinking of themselves then things like Hillsborough wouldn't happen. People push and shove at gigs to get to the front, not because they're concerned about anyone else, because they want to get the best view possible for THEM. People were pushing and shoving outside of Hillsborough that day because THEY didn't want to miss kick off. So regardless of anyone else they tried to get into the ground as quickly as they could.

Are you for real,should be bloody ashamed of yourself.

[Victor Meldrew]

That is not reason enough to apportion any blame for what happened on those fans.

They were still partly responsible though.

No, they weren't. The report concluded that.

What do you think the police, ground security, stewards and crowd control procedures are for exactly?

Can't be bothered to debate with the two or three imbeciles who live in a strange world where everybody politely waits for others and adopts a "no,after you philosophy"
Yours is the most salient point,i.e. what the f*** are stewards,police and other ground security people doing at a game if not to ensure public safety.
I am not anti-police or anything but my personal experience of the police at the Reading v Cardiff game when coppers had their riot shields and we had nothing to protect us as we walked away from the game with bricks and stones being hurled at us (and by "us" I include young kids) made me feel that the police are more concerned about themselves in these circumstances rather than protecting the public.

One further point about the Hillsboro debacle is the police doctoring evidence for their own reasons-that is despicable and unforgiveable and in many other walks of life would lead to convictions even all these years later.

[soggy biscuit]

Why are you falling for the usual weak s**t from Kes?

The report today stated that alcohol and pushing outside the ground had nothing to do with it which is exactly what everyone knew anyway.

[Victor Meldrew]

Why are you falling for the usual weak s**t from Kes?

The report today stated that alcohol and pushing outside the ground had nothing to do with it which is exactly what everyone knew anyway.

I'm just waiting for him to inform us about what other events happened before he was born such as the Holocaust ,the Asian Killing Fields and the events at the Somme.
He can tell us what really happened rather than hear from our own family members or others who might actually have been there.

[Man Friday]

Did any fans enter the ground without tickets?

[DelBoyRodders]

... pushing outside the ground had nothing to do with it which is exactly what everyone knew anyway.

If there wasn't any pushing or crushing outside the ground then the Police wouldn't have needed to open the gates to start with.

[DelBoyRodders]

I honestly don't think anyone was 'pushing'.

If there wasn't any pushing or crushing outside the ground then the Police wouldn't have needed to open the gates to start with.

[philM]

I honestly don't think anyone was 'pushing'.

How did they get there then, teleportation?

When they were being forced downhill in the crowded tunnel by the movement of the crowd what do you suggest each individual should have done? Paused for a moment and waited for things to thin out a bit?

Have you ever been in a tightly packed moving crowd?

[pea]

Some of the comments on here from the likes of Ideal and Kes absolute disgust me. Rubs even further insult to injury for the 96 when there are oxygen thiefs like them still walking the earth.

[NTRoyal]

My goodness, this thread is full of some frankly ridiculous comments.

Upon looking into the incident more today, and try to gain a greater understanding of what happened it seems ridiculous that anyone could blame the fans. Having been to Hillsborough and knowing the layout of the Leppings Lane end, I see how easy it would have been for all the fans to filter down the tunnels. I had always thought the fans had to take some blame, but it's unwaveringly clear this is not the case at all. The one thing I would say is it seems harsh to blame certain individuals to a point, it was a tragic accident brough about by whats looks like genuine negligence.

I'm delighted the 96 have their justice, and that the families got their official apology.

[Maguire]

The report found that Liverpool fans hadn't been drinking excessively. lolwut? It's an FA Cup semi-final; you should be absolutely steaming by kick-off.

[Maguire]

he's saying that he wanted everyone there to act as an individual, and not as part of a crowd. What happened that day was completely consistent with all aspects of the way crowds move and behave. It was also consistent with the way crowds have behaved and do behave at virtually every other similar match before and since, and would in the same circumstances today.

That's why there need to be proper design and maintenance of facilities to ensure crowd safety, as well as proper signage and effective crowd management.

Take those factors away, add in fences ensuring no way out of the pens, and complicate matters with a tunnel leading to those pens - and you get exactly what happened at Hillsborough.

And had they been Man United, Leeds or Arsenal Fans exactly the same would have happened.

How come it didn't happen to any of those clubs then? All took thousands upon thousands of fans to terraced matches for decades, including games at Hillsborough.

Sheer good fortune? Or did they just have fewer people turning up l8 to rush the gates? Is it nothing more than sheer coincidence that it was Liverpool fans who were involved in the two worst crowd disasters in the 80s?

Are all questions people ask.

[ZacNaloen]

Some of the comments on here from the likes of Ideal and Kes absolute disgust me. Rubs even further insult to injury for the 96 when there are oxygen thiefs like them still walking the earth.

thieves surely?

[who are ya?]

Is it nothing more than sheer coincidence that it was Liverpool fans who were involved in the two worst crowd disasters in the 80s?

The era they were infamous for jibbing and looting

[pea]

Some of the comments on here from the likes of Ideal and Kes absolute disgust me. Rubs even further insult to injury for the 96 when there are oxygen thiefs like them still walking the earth.

thieves surely?

thanks mate, good to get some perspective

[Royal With Cheese]

he's saying that he wanted everyone there to act as an individual, and not as part of a crowd. What happened that day was completely consistent with all aspects of the way crowds move and behave. It was also consistent with the way crowds have behaved and do behave at virtually every other similar match before and since, and would in the same circumstances today.

That's why there need to be proper design and maintenance of facilities to ensure crowd safety, as well as proper signage and effective crowd management.

Take those factors away, add in fences ensuring no way out of the pens, and complicate matters with a tunnel leading to those pens - and you get exactly what happened at Hillsborough.

And had they been Man United, Leeds or Arsenal Fans exactly the same would have happened.

How come it didn't happen to any of those clubs then? All took thousands upon thousands of fans to terraced matches for decades, including games at Hillsborough.

Sheer good fortune? Or did they just have fewer people turning up l8 to rush the gates? Is it nothing more than sheer coincidence that it was Liverpool fans who were involved in the two worst crowd disasters in the 80s?

Are all questions people ask.

Some people still believe the earth is flat and the holocaust never happened.

They're all fcuking idiots too.

[Ian Royal]

he's saying that he wanted everyone there to act as an individual, and not as part of a crowd. What happened that day was completely consistent with all aspects of the way crowds move and behave. It was also consistent with the way crowds have behaved and do behave at virtually every other similar match before and since, and would in the same circumstances today.

That's why there need to be proper design and maintenance of facilities to ensure crowd safety, as well as proper signage and effective crowd management.

Take those factors away, add in fences ensuring no way out of the pens, and complicate matters with a tunnel leading to those pens - and you get exactly what happened at Hillsborough.

And had they been Man United, Leeds or Arsenal Fans exactly the same would have happened.

How come it didn't happen to any of those clubs then? All took thousands upon thousands of fans to terraced matches for decades, including games at Hillsborough.

Sheer good fortune? Or did they just have fewer people turning up l8 to rush the gates? Is it nothing more than sheer coincidence that it was Liverpool fans who were involved in the two worst crowd disasters in the 80s?

Are all questions people ask.

The right mix of circumstances didn't occur. It took criminal negligence of the Council, Stewards and Police combined with travel disruptions making people late and arrive over a shorter timescale and be worried about missing seeing the game to get something of this scale happen.

It could have happened in lots of places on many occasions. Luckily the same cocktail of disaster didn't recurr to the same extent.


Personally, I'd like to sincerely apologise to any Liverpool fans that might end up reading this thread for the absolutely disgusting views posted on here by a tiny minority of scumbags.

[Compo's Hat]

Not convinced testing the dead for alcohol proves that Liverpool fans weren't drunk. Those that died would have been at the front and probably more concerned about their good spot on the terrace than the pub.







Expecting to be shot down on here for having a view that Liverpool fans aren't to blame in any way.

[DelBoyRodders]

Not convinced testing the dead for alcohol proves that Liverpool fans weren't drunk. Those that died would have been at the front and probably more concerned about their good spot on the terrace than the pub.







Expecting to be shot down on here for having a view that Liverpool fans aren't to blame in any way.

Correct!