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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by RoyalBlue » 04 Feb 2013 08:40

Alexander Litvinenko Were there any fists actually thrown? It looks like Reading fans weren't stupid enough to rise to the bait.

In which case the stewards called it right and did a decent job of stewarding by incident - a few verbals didn't actually hurt anyone, but if they'd waded in and tried to stop the verbals that would have guaranteed the whole episode kicked off, with probably others from the coaches joining in and instead of a minor incident you immediately have a major incident. Instead, they let it pass, observed and were probably ready in case it did kick off - but the aim is to get people onto the coaches and away as quickly as possible, rather than get involved to stop something minor and at the same time effectively stop the coaches from leaving.

So what would you actually like them to have done?



I'll give you the benefit of doubt in case you posted at the same time as murts_the_god, although times of posting don't seem to support that. If you had read what he wrote, fists were thrown and people were hit. What's more, as RL suggests, this was always likely to happen in that sort of situation. There was absolutely no guarantee that at least some Reading fans would rise to the bait, so I don't subscribe to your laissez faire approach. In fact, I'm getting increasingly peed off with the club letting away supporters do what they like because to intervene might create a problem for the stewards (it made a pleasant change to see tangos and police actually go into the away stand against Chelsea and hoik out a trouble maker).

The club have to pay for policing so why don't they insist that the police earn that money and position themselves where there is most likely to be trouble i.e. by the away transport. (if GC is correct and there were no police at all at the game then the tangos should have been used)

This incident just shows how ridiculous the 'safety fence/gate' concept is - 'we'll inconvenience the home supporters by making them walk right around the stadium and then, when they get there, will allow the aways supporters give them hastle as they walk by their buses'.

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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by Big Foot » 04 Feb 2013 13:26

Royal Lady I would expect the stewards (yellow or orange) to herd the away fans onto the coaches, not let them wander among the good natured home fans who are just wanting to walk to their cars without being baited.

Assuming that ALL away fans traveled by coach and NONE of them had cars parked away from the ground, of course.

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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by Royal Lady » 04 Feb 2013 13:51

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Royal Lady I would expect the stewards (yellow or orange) to herd the away fans onto the coaches, not let them wander among the good natured home fans who are just wanting to walk to their cars without being baited.

Assuming that ALL away fans traveled by coach and NONE of them had cars parked away from the ground, of course.

The fact that these ones were hanging around by the coaches lead me to assume that they were going to get on the coaches at some point. If they were travelling by car, they could just as easily have baited a few fans on the walk back to their cars.

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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by Gordons Cumming » 04 Feb 2013 14:16

The club is always reactive not proactive. (I think that is the right way around)

They will stop the players taking shooting practice after their warm up only when there is a serious injury to a spectator. :roll:
A small boy was millimetres away from having his head knocked off by a Bibbo thunderblot before the Sheff.Utd game. Spectators are always at threat, however, from Karacan efforts. Net or no net. :wink:

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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by jonboy29red » 04 Feb 2013 20:31

one way to sort out this problem of away fans "waiting" is to hold them in for a 15-20 mins before letting them out that way most problems wont happen


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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by Rex » 04 Feb 2013 20:48

jonboy29red one way to sort out this problem of away fans "waiting" is to hold them in for a 15-20 mins before letting them out that way most problems wont happen


If someone is waiting to catch a train it will just switch the location of the problem.

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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by Spid » 05 Feb 2013 09:39

if everyone left around the 80 minute mark none of these awful situations would occur.

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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by Maguire » 05 Feb 2013 12:02

I got jostled by a dozen or so Sunderland on my way out of the ground. Tried to windmill them all the way back to J11 but i'm not the man I once was and got a bit puffed out by the time I reached the second roundabout.

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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by Alexander Litvinenko » 05 Feb 2013 12:11

jonboy29red one way to sort out this problem of away fans "waiting" is to hold them in for a 15-20 mins before letting them out that way most problems wont happen


Treat every supporter as if they're a hooligan? Great idea ....... :roll:


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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by Royal Lady » 05 Feb 2013 19:01

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jonboy29red one way to sort out this problem of away fans "waiting" is to hold them in for a 15-20 mins before letting them out that way most problems wont happen


Treat every supporter as if they're a hooligan? Great idea ....... :roll:

Do they still do this to away supporters at Cardiff? They have every time I've been there....

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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by Rex » 05 Feb 2013 19:04

Yeah but last time was to lol at the mini hoolies on the pitch being led away.

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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by RoyalBlue » 05 Feb 2013 19:14

Alexander Litvinenko
jonboy29red one way to sort out this problem of away fans "waiting" is to hold them in for a 15-20 mins before letting them out that way most problems wont happen


Treat every supporter as if they're a hooligan? Great idea ....... :roll:


The authorities tend to start from that viewpoint anyway, so might as well get some benefit from it. In reality they only need to keep them in for 5-10 minutes (have experienced that on numerous occasions in the past as a Reading fan at away grounds). That gives the home supporters a chance to clear. Some of that time can then be made back up because the surrounding area is a bit clearer.

If they're not going to do that, then do their job properly. Make sure the tangos (and police where present) are deployed to the most likely flashpoints and if idiots are waiting outside their coaches to bait and/or attack departing home supporters, tell the sodding coach stewards to get them on the coach. If they don't comply, then video and take up with the visiting club.

This incident should not have been allowed to happen and I'm really not sure why people are defending the club/safety/security officer on this occasion.

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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by Royal Lady » 05 Feb 2013 19:28

Thank you Royalblue.

This incident was bad enough if Murty is God or whatever his name is (sorry!) got injured, but if any of our fans had decided to "take them on" it would quickly have developed into something even more serious and the yellow coats who were stood around would have been powerless to do anything.

I am going to speak to the club about it - just to let them know. If they don't know, they can't do anything about it for the future. RFC are lucky that our fans are so good natured.


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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by Rex » 05 Feb 2013 19:37

It will be interesting where they go with this. Heavy handed presence is just as inciteful as anyone goading someone to react. A flashpoint is not a flashpoint until that spark is added. We do not want to have a heavy handed attitude to away supporters unless necessary as this is never a pleasant experience for anyone.

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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by RoyalBlue » 05 Feb 2013 20:10

royalexile It will be interesting where they go with this. Heavy handed presence is just as inciteful as anyone goading someone to react. A flashpoint is not a flashpoint until that spark is added. We do not want to have a heavy handed attitude to away supporters unless necessary as this is never a pleasant experience for anyone.


Quite. Which is why the tangos should just be present and monitoring the situation. Most of them do have reasonable people skills and are capable of being pleasant and helpful to the visiting supporters. If, however, a minority of the away support start looking for trouble as they did on Saturday, then they can deal with them appropriately. i.e. try to talk them into being sensible first of all but be prepared to prevent them turning on other supporters if necessary. What is not acceptable is a lack of presence and/or willingness to do what is necessary to protect peaceful, well behaved supporters from both clubs.

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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by Rex » 05 Feb 2013 20:50

As mentioned previously, the concern is also down to support and commitment. Without getting too gender or age specific, some are possibly not into dealing with conflict management.

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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by Royal Lady » 05 Feb 2013 21:14

royalexile As mentioned previously, the concern is also down to support and commitment. Without getting too gender or age specific, some are possibly not into dealing with conflict management.
Tangos should be trained to deal with conflict etc but there were very few present by the coaches and those that were, were on the inside of where the coaches were and could not see this group of fans milling around trying to goad RFC fans into a fight. The yellow coats should be able to be helpful and guide fans on to their coaches, the tangos should be there to ensure everything is safe. imo.

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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by Rex » 05 Feb 2013 21:44

They will be trained in conflict management but it is dependant on confidence levels. Attending a course and putting it into practice are two different issues.

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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by RoyalBlue » 05 Feb 2013 22:31

royalexile They will be trained in conflict management but it is dependant on confidence levels. Attending a course and putting it into practice are two different issues.


Once again agreed. However, I believe some of them are quite good at it, so make sure they are put at the potential hot spots!

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Re: Pathetic stewarding

by Rex » 05 Feb 2013 22:41

Does the club have an incident control room. I have not seen CCTV around the ground. For possible evidence gathering to identify incidents and deal with a potential Flashpoint. Flashpoint might be too strong a word the - maybe rumblestix in the jungle.

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