SUMMER TRANSFER BUDGET

[royalsteve]

Never mind the transfer budget? What about the wages budget?

Sign one player for £5M and pay them 50k a week on a 4-year contract and that's over half of your £30M budget gone.

not in the championship you wouldn't - max half that a week

[melonhead]

ok, just under half your transfer budget gone then
woohoo

[St. Brynjar]

£10 million net on players max. We have parachute payments but that doesn't mean we don't have to cut back a little. Sell ALF for £4 million, Pog for a few million, one or two of Guthrie, Kebe, McAnuff and Karacan for a couple million and we should be just about okay to spend a little. I expect our transfer record to finally be smashed, hopefully on a young left-back or centre back.

[jellytot]

£10 million net on players max. We have parachute payments but that doesn't mean we don't have to cut back a little. Sell ALF for £4 million, Pog for a few million, one or two of Guthrie, Kebe, McAnuff and Karacan for a couple million and we should be just about okay to spend a little. I expect our transfer record to finally be smashed, hopefully on a young left-back or centre back.

AND another ball playing central midfielder and a striker with pace. Hope we can keep Kebe, ALF and Mariappa.

[St. Brynjar]

£10 million net on players max. We have parachute payments but that doesn't mean we don't have to cut back a little. Sell ALF for £4 million, Pog for a few million, one or two of Guthrie, Kebe, McAnuff and Karacan for a couple million and we should be just about okay to spend a little. I expect our transfer record to finally be smashed, hopefully on a young left-back or centre back.

AND another ball playing central midfielder and a striker with pace. Hope we can keep Kebe, ALF and Mariappa.

Not so sure we'll need another CM, we'll have Guthrie, Akpan, Carrico, Leigertwood, Tabb & Karacan before anyone leaves. Lose two of those (say, Karacan and Guthrie) and we'll still have a fairly competitive midfield for this division.

[West Stand Man]

Never mind the transfer budget? What about the wages budget?

Sign one player for £5M and pay them 50k a week on a 4-year contract and that's over half of your £30M budget gone.

Absolutely. And that is where the average football fan forgets to look when a deal is done. The transfer budget can (and often/usually does) count as a whole life cost of the deal rather than the flat purchase price. So, a player who comes in on a large pay packet can eat your budget quite rapidly.

[USA_Loyal_Royal]

£10 million net on players max. We have parachute payments but that doesn't mean we don't have to cut back a little. Sell ALF for £4 million, Pog for a few million, one or two of Guthrie, Kebe, McAnuff and Karacan for a couple million and we should be just about okay to spend a little. I expect our transfer record to finally be smashed, hopefully on a young left-back or centre back.

AND another ball playing central midfielder and a striker with pace. Hope we can keep Kebe, ALF and Mariappa.

Not so sure we'll need another CM, we'll have Guthrie, Akpan, Carrico, Leigertwood, Tabb & Karacan before anyone leaves. Lose two of those (say, Karacan and Guthrie) and we'll still have a fairly competitive midfield for this division.

adkins will want some players who are capable of passing and attacking in midfield. not many of our players are capable of this. our midfield is by far the weakest position.

[jellytot]

£10 million net on players max. We have parachute payments but that doesn't mean we don't have to cut back a little. Sell ALF for £4 million, Pog for a few million, one or two of Guthrie, Kebe, McAnuff and Karacan for a couple million and we should be just about okay to spend a little. I expect our transfer record to finally be smashed, hopefully on a young left-back or centre back.

AND another ball playing central midfielder and a striker with pace. Hope we can keep Kebe, ALF and Mariappa.

Not so sure we'll need another CM, we'll have Guthrie, Akpan, Carrico, Leigertwood, Tabb & Karacan before anyone leaves. Lose two of those (say, Karacan and Guthrie) and we'll still have a fairly competitive midfield for this division.

I would move on Ledg, Tabb and keep the rest if possible.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

I really don't understand why everyone thinks we need at least 10 million to spend on players next season.
Firstly, even though at this level a lot of our players have been extremely poor, as we saw last season they can do a very good job at championship level. This includes the likes of Legs, Karacan, McAnuff etc and with the additions of Marriappa, Kelly, McCleary etc. We will have a very solid back-bone
Also, when was the last time a championship club ever spent over 10-15 million in just transfer fees? it never happens and even with the rare case of Leicester, it doesn't guarantee success. Although the squad needs strengthening I think some of you are deluded if you think the amount of money being rumoured will actually be spent.

[Mike Hunt]

I really don't understand why everyone thinks we need at least 10 million to spend on players next season.
Firstly, even though at this level a lot of our players have been extremely poor, as we saw last season they can do a very good job at championship level. This includes the likes of Legs, Karacan, McAnuff etc and with the additions of Marriappa, Kelly, McCleary etc. We will have a very solid back-bone
Also, when was the last time a championship club ever spent over 10-15 million in just transfer fees? it never happens and even with the rare case of Leicester, it doesn't guarantee success. Although the squad needs strengthening I think some of you are deluded if you think the amount of money being rumoured will actually be spent.

1. Fuck off Newbster.
2. They were great in the Championship last season, but playing BM's style. Not all of the team will handle the change in tactics.

[LightwaterRoyal]

I really don't understand why everyone thinks we need at least 10 million to spend on players next season.
Firstly, even though at this level a lot of our players have been extremely poor, as we saw last season they can do a very good job at championship level. This includes the likes of Legs, Karacan, McAnuff etc and with the additions of Marriappa, Kelly, McCleary etc. We will have a very solid back-bone
Also, when was the last time a championship club ever spent over 10-15 million in just transfer fees? it never happens and even with the rare case of Leicester, it doesn't guarantee success. Although the squad needs strengthening I think some of you are deluded if you think the amount of money being rumoured will actually be spent.

1. Fuck off Newbster.
2. They were great in the Championship last season, but playing BM's style. Not all of the team will handle the change in tactics.

Nail. Head. Hit

That point never actually crossed my mind

[Mid Sussex Royal]

Will Financial Fair Play have an impact? Bearing in mind our average gate will drop to 15-20K

[P!ssed Off]

Never mind the transfer budget? What about the wages budget?

Sign one player for £5M and pay them 50k a week on a 4-year contract and that's over half of your £30M budget gone.

Nonsense. If Adkins is given a budget of £30 million for next season then your claim is wrong.

The budget is a yearly budget. For example, if I am given a total budget for next season of £10 million, I could get one player on a free and pay them £10 million per year on a 1000 year contract and I will still not have exceeded my budget for next season.

The length of contract is irrelevant whether it is a 1 year contract or a 10 year contract.
If I was presented with a four year budget, which is obviously not the case, then I would factor in wage expenditure over the whole four years.

Sign one player for £5 million and pay them 50k a week on a 4-year contract and that is a maximum of ~£7.5 million gone from next season's £30M budget. This is 1/4 of the budget. If current wages < wage budget THEN < £7.5M will be gone from next season's total budget.

[P!ssed Off]

Never mind the transfer budget? What about the wages budget?

Sign one player for £5M and pay them 50k a week on a 4-year contract and that's over half of your £30M budget gone.

I think they mean money to buy players wages not included

if i were a business man i would be budgetting for the entire package every time i bought a player.
signing on fee, plus wages for duration of contract.

Yes, but this would not be a Summer transfer budget. What you're suggesting would be a budget lasting a period of many years.
If you managed a business that was set a year's budget of £30M then you would not say "but I must factor in the ten years after this", there will be another budget for each year in the ten years after your first budget.

For a player on a four-year contract:
The 1st year's wages affect the 1st year's budget.
The 2nd year's wages affect the 2nd year's budget.
The 3rd year's wages affect the 3rd year's budget.
The 4th year's wages affect the 4th year's budget.

Without wanting to sound patronising: I hope this clears up the misunderstanding.

Yes, Redknapp is an idiot but the bigger idiots are the Portsmouth owners that signed off on his transfer dealings. QPR is different in that their owners probably can afford to waste hundreds of millions per season.

TLDR: If Zingarevich gives Adkins a budget of £30 million for next season, then this money is the budget for only next season, we do not have to attempt to preserve this money until the end of time.

[under the tin]

In my view, the £30M touted could well be real money that AZ will make available.
I think the BM sacking at this stage of the season was to give the new manager a few games to evaluate (in real match situations) what he has inherited in preparation for a clear out and rebuild in the Champ.

It was never really about trying to stay up. The small number of games left, the points gap, and the quality of the upcoming opposition betrays that.

All teams have a shelf life, and I am convinced that this group have reached the end of theirs. I think AZ feels the same.
Surely, the objective moving forwards is to build a team that not only can get promotion, but also can have a core of players that can cope with the top flight.

IIRC, a large chunk of Adkins' saints team that went up last season had played for him in the third tier, and a fair proportion have kept their places, and have looked Prem quality this season.
How many of our players can you honestly say the same about this season ?

Tinkering with the current squad with the short term aim of Champ promotion will only necessitate heavy investment and rebuilding upon promotion.

[From Despair To Where?]

Never mind the transfer budget? What about the wages budget?

Sign one player for £5M and pay them 50k a week on a 4-year contract and that's over half of your £30M budget gone.

Who would be dumb enough to do that

That's grossly unfair on Redknapp. Now, had it said £12m and 100k a week for 4 years, you may have had a point

[Alexander Litvinenko]

Never mind the transfer budget? What about the wages budget?

Sign one player for £5M and pay them 50k a week on a 4-year contract and that's over half of your £30M budget gone.

Nonsense. If Adkins is given a budget of £30 million for next season then your claim is wrong.

The budget is a yearly budget. For example, if I am given a total budget for next season of £10 million, I could get one player on a free and pay them £10 million per year on a 1000 year contract and I will still not have exceeded my budget for next season.

The length of contract is irrelevant whether it is a 1 year contract or a 10 year contract.
If I was presented with a four year budget, which is obviously not the case, then I would factor in wage expenditure over the whole four years.

Sign one player for £5 million and pay them 50k a week on a 4-year contract and that is a maximum of ~£7.5 million gone from next season's £30M budget. This is 1/4 of the budget. If current wages < wage budget THEN < £7.5M will be gone from next season's total budget.

If that's the case, then your yearly budget also has to include the salary commitments to players already at the club.... In which case £30M will hardly meet existing commitment, let alone buy anyone new.

[melonhead]

£10 million net on players max. We have parachute payments but that doesn't mean we don't have to cut back a little. Sell ALF for £4 million, Pog for a few million, one or two of Guthrie, Kebe, McAnuff and Karacan for a couple million and we should be just about okay to spend a little. I expect our transfer record to finally be smashed, hopefully on a young left-back or centre back.

dont see why wed need to sell ALF or kebe or mcanuff or karacan

defo sell pog and guthrie

just cannot see us breaking our transfer record in the championship either


would be nice though

[melonhead]

I really don't understand why everyone thinks we need at least 10 million to spend on players next season.
Firstly, even though at this level a lot of our players have been extremely poor, as we saw last season they can do a very good job at championship level. This includes the likes of Legs, Karacan, McAnuff etc and with the additions of Marriappa, Kelly, McCleary etc. We will have a very solid back-bone
Also, when was the last time a championship club ever spent over 10-15 million in just transfer fees? it never happens and even with the rare case of Leicester, it doesn't guarantee success. Although the squad needs strengthening I think some of you are deluded if you think the amount of money being rumoured will actually be spent.

good post



this new jeff is wonderful

[West Stand Man]

Yes, but this would not be a Summer transfer budget. What you're suggesting would be a budget lasting a period of many years.
If you managed a business that was set a year's budget of £30M then you would not say "but I must factor in the ten years after this", there will be another budget for each year in the ten years after your first budget.

For a player on a four-year contract:
The 1st year's wages affect the 1st year's budget.
The 2nd year's wages affect the 2nd year's budget.
The 3rd year's wages affect the 3rd year's budget.
The 4th year's wages affect the 4th year's budget.

Without wanting to sound patronising: I hope this clears up the misunderstanding.

Yes, Redknapp is an idiot but the bigger idiots are the Portsmouth owners that signed off on his transfer dealings. QPR is different in that their owners probably can afford to waste hundreds of millions per season.

TLDR: If Zingarevich gives Adkins a budget of £30 million for next season, then this money is the budget for only next season, we do not have to attempt to preserve this money until the end of time.

I do hope they don't do it your way. You would look pretty stupid to do your budgeting like that. What happens in your scenario when you get to yr 4 and the player is unaffordable? Of course the calculations should be done on a whole life (ie whole life of the contract) basis or you just stack up financial problems that accrue later.