Adkins has no plan?

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Adkins has no plan?

by Millsy » 20 Sep 2013 01:49

On various threads it's often bandied about that Adkins has no plan and he's sometimes likened to Rodgers etc.. For the sake of good discussion I'm going to suggest this isn't fair.

Brian, much as I'm still gutted to have lost him, built his team around fast countering play to the wings, very attack minded at the expense of defence (eg Harte!). That worked but we were obviously found out in the Prem where massive weaknesses were exposed: 1) lack of possession as we'd pump the ball up but just lose it and b) leaky 'defence'

Yes ok Adkins may not have stamped a definite formation and definite starting lineup but he has addressed major problems first and foremost. At the end of last season and over preseason he's clearly addressed the possession problem. And lately he seems to have made some changes to how we play to give us some clean sheets.

No matter how good you are at scoring if you lose the ball and have a leaky defence you won't succeed in the PL as Arsenal taught us.

Adkins has sorted these out (or is trying) ASAP. That to me is direction and a plan. We may not have sorted out the final third or the midfield or our best formation/ starters or even finalised our personnel yet but to me these two issues were our biggest. I'd almost much rather sort these out and have a firm basis upon which to build.

Compare that to Rodgers who didn't seem to achieve anything other than an infinite "preseason" trying every formation from his bumper book of tactics with every possible permutation of players. Adkins is identifying problems and achieving stuff.

Just for discussion really... But my humble opinion is that Adkins deserves credit for what he's achieving so far. Wait for it to click with the right personnel and we'll have a passing, possession keeping, tight defenced team that eventually learns to score. It ain't pretty so far, but once the foundations are built just wait :)

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Re: Adkins has no plan?

by fruits » 20 Sep 2013 06:49

Good post agree with everything you say.I worry that Atkins might leave owing to lack of investment in new players.
If he stays can see us doing a Swansea provided he has finance and time.

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by The Real Sandhurst Royal » 20 Sep 2013 07:12

Fruits wrote: I worry that Atkins might leave owing to lack of investment in new players.


How many times have you seen A manager walk out on a club, not often!!

Atkins has grit and determination in his character. No investment, so what bring the academy players through the system an into the first team as he did at Saints.
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Re: Adkins has no plan?

by ILoveMoonPig » 20 Sep 2013 07:36

His tactics are slowly beginning to stick: full backs bombing forward, while the two defensive midfielders hold cover. Someone pointed out a few days ago that Adkins wants the wingers to play inside more, and I'm convinced that when this starts happening, we'll start banging the goals in.

I think the reason why a few people are getting annoyed is that in the last few games, the tempo has dropped and the wide players have stayed right out wide, leaving both drenthe (when he's in the centre, that is) and alf on their own and out-numbered.

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by Bowman's Quiver » 20 Sep 2013 08:20

Generally, I think I'd agree with the OP.

It might take a full season at this level before we really are in a position to challenge again in earnest but we could be all the stronger for a little patience from the owners and fans alike.


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by elrey » 20 Sep 2013 08:44

Rodgers tried to implement passing football and didn't get results, we were relegation zone candidates at xmas. Adkins is doing this and we're up the top half of the table. Things might not be great, but they will get better.

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by SydenhamRoyal » 20 Sep 2013 09:10

ILoveMoonPig His tactics are slowly beginning to stick: full backs bombing forward, while the two defensive midfielders hold cover. Someone pointed out a few days ago that Adkins wants the wingers to play inside more, and I'm convinced that when this starts happening, we'll start banging the goals in.

I think the reason why a few people are getting annoyed is that in the last few games, the tempo has dropped and the wide players have stayed right out wide, leaving both drenthe (when he's in the centre, that is) and alf on their own and out-numbered.


I reckon he's realised we can't get the 100 goals and therefore need to be tighter at the back; he's focussed on that first, and as that starts to take care of itself, focus will switch to how can we score without losing the tightness.
When that comes we'll win 15 from 17, mostly 1-0

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Re: Adkins has no plan?

by Cureton's Volley » 20 Sep 2013 09:22

SydenhamRoyal mostly 1-0


...from v.late goals

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Re: Adkins has no plan?

by Za Vas » 20 Sep 2013 10:31

Top, top post 2WWs.

Completely agree, we should only really start to scrutinise the team towards the end of this season/start of next. I feel that if we see one or two signing on January we could go on another end of season run to put us in the Play offs and from there anything can happen.


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by creative_username_1 » 20 Sep 2013 10:36

Can i just remind everyone we're in the Championship and should just worry about getting out of the championship

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by Za Vas » 20 Sep 2013 10:40

What's the point of going up playing kick and rush football, having 14% possession and getting stuffed pretty much every week. May as well change the style of play now, because over recent years the sides that have played decent football tend to have held the place.

Yes we should focus on getting out of the Championship, but only with a view to staying in the Premier League.

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by creative_username_1 » 20 Sep 2013 11:11

Za Vas What's the point of going up playing kick and rush football, having 14% possession and getting stuffed pretty much every week. May as well change the style of play now, because over recent years the sides that have played decent football tend to have held the place.

Yes we should focus on getting out of the Championship, but only with a view to staying in the Premier League.


The sides that have spent a lot of money have stayed up.

Don't get me wrong i'm all for prettier football and keeping possession but it seems we're more concerned about how we're gonna do in the prem when we're in the championship

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Re: Adkins has no plan?

by Alexander Litvinenko » 20 Sep 2013 11:18

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Za Vas What's the point of going up playing kick and rush football, having 14% possession and getting stuffed pretty much every week. May as well change the style of play now, because over recent years the sides that have played decent football tend to have held the place.

Yes we should focus on getting out of the Championship, but only with a view to staying in the Premier League.


The sides that have spent a lot of money have stayed up.

Don't get me wrong i'm all for prettier football and keeping possession but it seems we're more concerned about how we're gonna do in the prem when we're in the championship


That's the dilemma. Concentrate on how you get out of the Championship alone and you usually end up only being out of it for a year before you're back.

Build a team that's entirely PL-capable and you may never get a chance to try it out there because it may never get out of the Championship, and is likely to lose its best players every time you fail.

The only long-term strategy is to build a mix of both - a team that can get out of the Championship but which then has the basic principles for PL survival and which won't need the replacement of the whole team or a complete change of style to achieve that - just a little tinkering. I do believe Adkins understands this and that's what he#s working on, but it' a delicate balancing act between the two states ... and of course long-term injuries don't help.


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by creative_username_1 » 20 Sep 2013 11:26

Easy to say - harder to do

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Re: Adkins has no plan?

by Alexander Litvinenko » 20 Sep 2013 11:34

Quite. Otherwise we'd all be managing teams in the PL.

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by blythspartan » 20 Sep 2013 12:00

A really good post on HNA and no doom and gloom.

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by handbags_harris » 20 Sep 2013 12:19

I think the OP needs to wind his neck in. There is no room on this board for such sound, well thought out, reasoned debate.

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Re: Adkins has no plan?

by melonhead » 20 Sep 2013 12:23

hes clearly got a plan.
and its clear hes seen issues and adressed them

much like brian last year - it seems he started playing the way he wanted, but we conceded too many goals. so he' has worked on our defence, made us solid, and is now in the process of trying to shift the balance forward again. that all seems correct to me.



what is slightly getting on my nerves is his different team for every game.
its good to play differently Vs different teams, that makes sense, and its important that all the players feel involved, and like they have a chance. its good for the manager to see them all play in real games so he can get a real feel for their strengths etc
but it needs to be remembered that consistency is important too, and many players do not cope well when they are in and out of the side for weeks at a time.

i hope he starts with the back four, not just the CBs.as this is the area where its most important to build as a unit.
the 4 we played on wednesday should be the four for the forseeable.

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Re: Adkins has no plan?

by Ian Royal » 20 Sep 2013 12:32

Whilst we're off the subject of doom and gloom, despite not really having found our full, consistent, starting 11 or got properly going yet, and despite having only one player looking capable of getting over 10 goals, we're still picking up points at a rate that will see us firmly in the Play Offs if it continues through the season.

We've lost one meaningful match and been narrowly away from picking up a couple more wins. Even if a couple of the wins we do have were perhaps got a little by the tips of our fingers.

Fook knows where we'd be if we had a fully fit and in form squad. Or another decent striker. The championship is so tight that the margins are tiny between a run of poor results and drifting downwards and a run of great results and storming the division. We're placed well early on and we've still got plenty of room for improvement.

Not much to genuinely be upset about.

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by bradleylewsrfc » 20 Sep 2013 12:54

Ian Royal Whilst we're off the subject of doom and gloom, despite not really having found our full, consistent, starting 11 or got properly going yet, and despite having only one player looking capable of getting over 10 goals, we're still picking up points at a rate that will see us firmly in the Play Offs if it continues through the season.

We've lost one meaningful match and been narrowly away from picking up a couple more wins. Even if a couple of the wins we do have were perhaps got a little by the tips of our fingers.

Fook knows where we'd be if we had a fully fit and in form squad. Or another decent striker. The championship is so tight that the margins are tiny between a run of poor results and drifting downwards and a run of great results and storming the division. We're placed well early on and we've still got plenty of room for improvement.

Not much to genuinely be upset about.


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