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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by Will95 » 16 Dec 2013 09:42

Victor Meldrew Nobody (did anybody actually go who have posted on here?) has said much about McCarthy.
The reporter on SKY was ecstatic in praise of his performance -what a star this lad is.


Will95 McCarthy excellent but distribution was terrible.


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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by ZacNaloen » 16 Dec 2013 10:16

Not exactly inciteful though, we know McCarthys a great shot stopper and all those other keeper'y things, but makes terrible distribution decisions.

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by BR2 » 16 Dec 2013 11:16

ZacNaloen Not exactly inciteful though, we know McCarthys a great shot stopper and all those other keeper'y things, but makes terrible distribution decisions.


The distribution by most keepers is poor-Pepe Reina and Casillas are two that come to mind who are the exception.
In Sunday's paper Adkins said that England should be looking at him (which of course they already did at U21 and for the trip to Brazil).
In the same way that we knew Shaka would play at the highest level Alex has a real presence about him and I can see one of the top clubs or possibly Southampton paying us £10 million for him-the club will then probably use the money to buy back most of the mad man's shares and everybody (apart from the fans ) will be happy.

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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by Extended-Phenotype » 16 Dec 2013 11:33

sandman Thanks for your sympathies E-P.

Next time take on board the comment and acknowledge the fact that people, in football and life in general, are going to question something if it's been hyped and failed to deliver on the expectation. Whilst you were criticising others you seemed to be simultaneously doing exactly what you accuse them of doing and letting the thoughts of "anonymous people on the internet" get to you.

As much as it will hurt your ego I don't really care what you or the other "anonymous people on the internet" think about Nigel Adkins as I just don't like him or his personality regardless of what those people have said previously about Brian McDermott.

My sympathies.


Fair point. No ego here though; just making the point that it's sad when folk turn on their own club and new manager, taking delight in running both down, because someone online has called them a 'bender'.

Keeping it realistic and rational I'm not sure what quality of football people are expecting to see each week and I personally won't be getting a hate hard-on at RFC because a few idiots on here over-hyped Adkins.

Its the internet. There will be dicks. Don't let that distort your views.

Ps. Not specifically talking about you, Sandy.

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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by biff » 16 Dec 2013 11:59

Best Pie (meat and potato) and great customer service (forgot the phucking tickets). Team poor, we dont have a whole lot of width. William's best game for a while, held the midfield well. Nout else to be said really.



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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by loyalroyal4life » 16 Dec 2013 12:04

Why was Mcleary dropped? Surely our best current winger and he didn't start!!

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by LoyalRoyal22 » 16 Dec 2013 12:25

loyalroyal4life Why was Mcleary dropped? Surely our best current winger and he didn't start!!



Not been great in last couple of games. Also we needed Jobi for a option in the middle for when Adkins switched the diamond to a flat 4 in midfield. He offers more defensively which is needed when Royston is on the pitch

Hope that is not too hard for you to understand you delinquent

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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by KDRF » 16 Dec 2013 12:37

I'm still clinging on to the fact that we are around the top of the table and haven't actually played well yet, in the hope that Drenthe will actually deliver the goods, Sharp will go on a scoring run, Williams and Guthrie will build a Harper and Sidwellesque partnership, Bridge will actually avoid injury and everyone will realise that McCarthey is actually quite good and just needs to work on his kicking, which trust me, for a keeper is the easiest part to work on.
We can only hope.

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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by Royal Lady » 16 Dec 2013 12:47

AthleticoSpizz Sounded like it on the radio.

However, the BBC website stats gave it in favour of the Tigers, but surprisingly, by not that much.

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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by Ian Royal » 16 Dec 2013 13:12

sandman Ian Royal is turning into Snowball.

I look at the only time they are in the pitch together to judge their kicking ability and you can tell who is better and more comfortable with the ball at their feet.

When Federici kicks it back to Bibbo and his assistant the ball goes straight to them just about every time. When McCarthy kicks it the power and accuracy just aren't there and often you'll see the ball take a bounce before it reaches the target.


I like to double check my opinions with facts and this season they don't support Federici being more accurate. Federici's kicking has deteriorated over the years in my view. Perhaps more to do with opposition getting more used to it and countering his accuracy by marking tightly. There's no doubt McCarthy's kicks are less accurate and don't go as far, but he also distributes the ball by throwing it much more than Federici, which makes up for it as it's a far more reliable method of passing than long kicks.

McCarthy's kicks are also more looped than Fed's flat kicks, which gives the players time to adjust for the accuracy and go to try to win the ball, which probably counters his accuracy a little. His kicking is getting better, although it's still easily the biggest flaw in his game.

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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by Extended-Phenotype » 16 Dec 2013 13:13

Who cares - give Federici something for christsakes.

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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by P!ssed Off » 16 Dec 2013 13:21

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sandman Ian Royal is turning into Snowball.

I look at the only time they are in the pitch together to judge their kicking ability and you can tell who is better and more comfortable with the ball at their feet.

When Federici kicks it back to Bibbo and his assistant the ball goes straight to them just about every time. When McCarthy kicks it the power and accuracy just aren't there and often you'll see the ball take a bounce before it reaches the target.


I like to double check my opinions with facts and this season they don't support Federici being more accurate. Federici's kicking has deteriorated over the years in my view. Perhaps more to do with opposition getting more used to it and countering his accuracy by marking tightly. There's no doubt McCarthy's kicks are less accurate and don't go as far, but he also distributes the ball by throwing it much more than Federici, which makes up for it as it's a far more reliable method of passing than long kicks.

McCarthy's kicks are also more looped than Fed's flat kicks, which gives the players time to adjust for the accuracy and go to try to win the ball, which probably counters his accuracy a little. His kicking is getting better, although it's still easily the biggest flaw in his game.


Did you even read my post that highlighted why whoscored's passing stats are inappropriate for goalkeepers?

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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by sandman » 16 Dec 2013 13:27

Ian Royal
sandman Ian Royal is turning into Snowball.

I look at the only time they are in the pitch together to judge their kicking ability and you can tell who is better and more comfortable with the ball at their feet.

When Federici kicks it back to Bibbo and his assistant the ball goes straight to them just about every time. When McCarthy kicks it the power and accuracy just aren't there and often you'll see the ball take a bounce before it reaches the target.


I like to double check my opinions with facts and this season they don't support Federici being more accurate. Federici's kicking has deteriorated over the years in my view. Perhaps more to do with opposition getting more used to it and countering his accuracy by marking tightly. There's no doubt McCarthy's kicks are less accurate and don't go as far, but he also distributes the ball by throwing it much more than Federici, which makes up for it as it's a far more reliable method of passing than long kicks.

McCarthy's kicks are also more looped than Fed's flat kicks, which gives the players time to adjust for the accuracy and go to try to win the ball, which probably counters his accuracy a little. His kicking is getting better, although it's still easily the biggest flaw in his game.


Good for you. Football is complicated by stats, most of which are complete rubbish and as P!ssed Off said the stats on the site you use are flawed due to their criteria. Alfredo Di Stefano once said that football was a simple game with very few actual rules that are made complicated by people and the same thing applies with stats.

McCarthy has thrown the ball out to an opposition striker on at least two occasions since August, once to Michu and against Birmingham. I seem to remember him doing it against another opponent so it's not just the distribution from his feet that is a problem.


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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by bcubed » 16 Dec 2013 13:53

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loyalroyal4life Why was Mcleary dropped? Surely our best current winger and he didn't start!!



Not been great in last couple of games. Also we needed Jobi for a option in the middle for when Adkins switched the diamond to a flat 4 in midfield. He offers more defensively which is needed when Royston is on the pitch

Hope that is not too hard for you to understand you delinquent


Thought this was a reasonable question myself!
He's looked the most likely to do something creative and must feel hard done by
Not sure if Adkins commented on this?

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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by Blind Bigot » 16 Dec 2013 14:59

Okay Terriers fan here!

We dominated play for long spells and created plenty of goal scoring chances and on another day we'd have won handsomely BUT if you fail to convert your chances and you allow the opposition an easy chance to score you don't deserve to win, it's a simple as that! Fair play to your lads they stuck to their task when under very severe pressure particularly in the second half and your keeper had one of those games where he just wasn't going to be beaten. His distribution however was some of the worst I've ever seen which was bizarre given the saves he made.

We're not the finished item after a huge change in playing style since last season so we're still learning and we no doubt learn further from that game! We definitely missed James Vaughan because he's been on fire this season but that's no excuse because some of those missed chances were guilt edged. I can't say anyone stood out in your team other than those crucial saves from your keeper!

Good luck for the rest of the season apart from the return game obviously! :lol:

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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by dakin1871 » 16 Dec 2013 18:41

Will95 Edit: Oh, and that Akpan shot, highlight of the game for comedy reasons.


Yes!! coming to a Xmas bloopers DVD soon!

As for the game agree with everyone else, pretty poor display! We dropped so deep in the 2nd half, we were camped on the edge of our box and had no way of getting out! Pog can only do so much on his own. I don't know if this is a deliberate tactic under some 'Game Management' type label, or if it is just a problem. Either way it needs to stop because better teams would have blown us away.

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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by Ian Royal » 16 Dec 2013 18:46

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sandman Ian Royal is turning into Snowball.

I look at the only time they are in the pitch together to judge their kicking ability and you can tell who is better and more comfortable with the ball at their feet.

When Federici kicks it back to Bibbo and his assistant the ball goes straight to them just about every time. When McCarthy kicks it the power and accuracy just aren't there and often you'll see the ball take a bounce before it reaches the target.


I like to double check my opinions with facts and this season they don't support Federici being more accurate. Federici's kicking has deteriorated over the years in my view. Perhaps more to do with opposition getting more used to it and countering his accuracy by marking tightly. There's no doubt McCarthy's kicks are less accurate and don't go as far, but he also distributes the ball by throwing it much more than Federici, which makes up for it as it's a far more reliable method of passing than long kicks.

McCarthy's kicks are also more looped than Fed's flat kicks, which gives the players time to adjust for the accuracy and go to try to win the ball, which probably counters his accuracy a little. His kicking is getting better, although it's still easily the biggest flaw in his game.


Did you even read my post that highlighted why whoscored's passing stats are inappropriate for goalkeepers?

No. I wasn't talking to you and I don't read absolutely every post.

Obviously the majority of keeper's kicks are long balls. I dont' see how that's a problem if you're comparing keeper with keeper, because it's the same measure. You'd be stupid to compare keeper to outfield player. And you'd be stupid to associate or compare a keeper's long balls with an outfielder's long balls.

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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by WestRoyal » 16 Dec 2013 18:46

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loyalroyal4life Why was Mcleary dropped? Surely our best current winger and he didn't start!!



Not been great in last couple of games. Also we needed Jobi for a option in the middle for when Adkins switched the diamond to a flat 4 in midfield. He offers more defensively which is needed when Royston is on the pitch

Hope that is not too hard for you to understand you delinquent


Thought this was a reasonable question myself!
He's looked the most likely to do something creative and must feel hard done by
Not sure if Adkins commented on this?


Yes I thought the same. Not sure why one would get offended by that

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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by P!ssed Off » 16 Dec 2013 19:40

Ian Royal
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Ian Royal I like to double check my opinions with facts and this season they don't support Federici being more accurate. Federici's kicking has deteriorated over the years in my view. Perhaps more to do with opposition getting more used to it and countering his accuracy by marking tightly. There's no doubt McCarthy's kicks are less accurate and don't go as far, but he also distributes the ball by throwing it much more than Federici, which makes up for it as it's a far more reliable method of passing than long kicks.

McCarthy's kicks are also more looped than Fed's flat kicks, which gives the players time to adjust for the accuracy and go to try to win the ball, which probably counters his accuracy a little. His kicking is getting better, although it's still easily the biggest flaw in his game.


Did you even read my post that highlighted why whoscored's passing stats are inappropriate for goalkeepers?

No. I wasn't talking to you and I don't read absolutely every post.

Obviously the majority of keeper's kicks are long balls. I dont' see how that's a problem if you're comparing keeper with keeper, because it's the same measure. You'd be stupid to compare keeper to outfield player. And you'd be stupid to associate or compare a keeper's long balls with an outfielder's long balls.


Pointless comparing Federici passing stats with McCarthy.
McCarthy passes mostly short as he can't pass long. Federici can pass long accurately so he attempts more long balls.

And don't bother bringing out your stats of how accurate McCarthy's long balls are, because I've already illustrated why they are not appropriate.

McCarthy may well be more accurate kicking the ball 30 yards along the ground to Sean Morrison, under no pressure, than Federici is kicking it 70 yards in the air to Progrebnyak.
This is not an achievement.

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Re: BFTG Huddersfield Town

by dakin1871 » 16 Dec 2013 19:44

I think a lot of the problems we have with keepers distribution is due to Adkin's way of playing. The one that sticks in my mind is the goal at sheffield wednesday which came from a goal kick and us trying to play it around the back 4. Liverpool have had problems with it over the past few years.

Another thing to consider is the beating that pog regularly takes when trying to win balls in the air, and the fact that he is often quite isolated, so he may well win the flick on but there is no-one there to pick up the knockdown.

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