BFTG Wigan

[paultheroyal]

He zipped loads in... No-one to feet on the end of it. Ah, maybe you had gone by then, got it. Apologies.

[RoyalBlue]

9 for the Ref-you are having a laugh he was awful.

First game back from uni, really enjoyed it. Very exciting and but for Alex Pearce we probably would have come away with a point or three.

McCarthy - 7 - Distribution was much improved, excellent kung-fu save.
Gunter - 7 - Very confident performance with the obligatory crap pass near the end. Decent attacking threat.
Pearce - 3 - Woeful, I have no idea what he was trying to do for the second goal and yet I could see it coming from a mile off. Very poor performance.
Gorkss - 6.5 - Really liked him today, great in the air, calm with the ball at his feet. Wasn't great for the first goal but other than that looked like the player that got us promoted.
Cummings - 4 - Started brightly until the fans got on his back for no reason and confidence dropped like a stone. He was out of position to be fair.
Drenthe - 6.5 - Pretty exciting at times, but very frustrating at others. Didn't look fit.
Guthrie - 7 - Very frustrating. The first half showed why people don't like him but in the second he was mercurial, his passing was brilliant. We are incredibly reliant on him, the whole second half was clearance, give it to Guthrie, ball in the box, clearance etc.
Williams - 6 - Good energy and looks decent enough. Should have been sent off and his temper could cost us.
McAnuff - 6.5 - One of the only good players in the first half, faded a little in the second but justified his position in the starting line up. Surprised he didn't go left-back when Obita came on.
Pog - 7.5 - Was really excited to see the Pog revolution and he had bags of confidence, held it up extremely well and could have had a couple. Our best striker.
Sharp - 5 - Was okay, took one off for the penalty howler.

Obita - 5 - Didn't notice him much
McCleary - 7.5 - Should definitely start. Our most dangerous winger.
Alf - N/A - as usual did absolutely nothing.

Adkins - 7 - Made some bold changes (we had more strikers than defenders towards the end) but they made the right impact. 4-4-2 wasn't right for this game.
Fans - 0 - Just a bunch of miserable gits. Booing when we keep possession then booing when we hoof it forward in response. Booing the full-backs taking throw-ins when no one is showing, then chanting the overrated Le Fondre's name just after Sharp missed the penalty and was low on confidence.
Ref - 9 - Dealt with the game really well, only wrong call was not sending Williams off.

Too damn right - the ref was a stinking pile of shyte. In the first half looked like he had lost his cards and was waiting for mum to give him some new ones for Xmas - should have been several bookings including one for us in that half. Then completely lost the plot and control in the second when he started dishing them out like confetti. Even then completely failed to stamp out the Wigan 'gamesmanship' that was so OTT that it became outright cheating. Think he realised that he had been wrong to book Williams when he tried to stop that c*nt Watson timewasting, which is why he didn't send him off soon after when he reacted to Watson's provocation. Should have booked their player for messing around with the penalty spot as Sharp waited to take the penalty but amazingly let him get away with it. Should have given Watson a second yellow when he deliberately feigned injury in their penalty area in an attempt to slow us up and relieve the relentless pressure near the end - how come Watson was able to get up and start running around the moment the ref told him to get up?! Was also ridiculously officious at times and then overly slack at others. On one occasion one immediately followed the other. Twice made us retake a freekick because he wasn't ready and then allowed us to restart play with a rolling ball.

[John Peel]

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I'm not booing to motivate the players.
I'm booing because I'm angry at having to watch that shit, week in week out.
The players can either strive to play better, or they can go and cry in the corner. It's up to them.
If they continue to play like shit, I will continue to boo.

Football changed to an entertainment industry a long time ago.
If the players want to be treated like the common man rather than 'superstars' then they should ask for a 90% wage cut.

They are paid to entertain, they should remember that.

How's it working out for you being so righteous? Fck's sake.

Footballers get paid a fortune, yeah. That's another discussion altogther. The point is, yes you need to be able to motivate yourself to an extent if you are going to be a top sportsman. But if the crowd is going against, it's going to affect you. Just as it would any human being. No money is ever going to change that. And they'll only just think we're a bunch of w@nkers if we boo them for every little mistake they make (Y26 and others take note). Booing is acceptable but it loses its impact if it happens every fcking time there's pass that goes backwards (which is what happened today). Also just shows how little those fans know about football.

[John Peel]

Just to add in terms of BFTG:

McCarthy 6
Cummings 5 (Obita 7)
Gorkks 6
Pearce 4
Guthrie 7
McAnuff 6
Drenthe 6
Williams 6.5
Pog 8 (MOTM)
Sharp 5

Reading fans 4 - I really noticed today just how negative the atmosphere is at this stadium. Look up what supporter is in the dictionary. The definition isn't 'Moan, boo, get on your team's back. And take everything out on your team'. Maybe 4 is a bit harsh actually. Many of our fans were great at getting behind the team, really great. But for me there are far too many in the other category. People couldn't understand Ian Harte's tweet last season about getting behind the team, and i was one of them to be honest. But i know what he means now.

Personally, I enjoyed the game. It was entertaining. That's my opinion. Apart from two awful goals to give away, we picked ourselves i thought, especially in the second half.

People say that Adkins and his style of play is unpopular. Let's see if that is true when we renew our season tickets for what is likely to be another season in the Championship. Maybe i am in the minority. Happy to be proved wrong.

[paultheroyal]

^^^^^^

Decent post

[winchester_royal]

^^^^^^

Decent post

'Greed

[P!ssed Off]

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I'm not booing to motivate the players.
I'm booing because I'm angry at having to watch that shit, week in week out.
The players can either strive to play better, or they can go and cry in the corner. It's up to them.
If they continue to play like shit, I will continue to boo.

Football changed to an entertainment industry a long time ago.
If the players want to be treated like the common man rather than 'superstars' then they should ask for a 90% wage cut.

They are paid to entertain, they should remember that.

You clearly have only been a "fan" for a few years mate. Go and support someone else as booing your team becasue you are angry is childish bollocks.

First game was 15 years ago this boxing day.
Had a season ticket 10+ years. This is by far the dullest season I've seen.

[paultheroyal]

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I'm not booing to motivate the players.
I'm booing because I'm angry at having to watch that shit, week in week out.
The players can either strive to play better, or they can go and cry in the corner. It's up to them.
If they continue to play like shit, I will continue to boo.

Football changed to an entertainment industry a long time ago.
If the players want to be treated like the common man rather than 'superstars' then they should ask for a 90% wage cut.

They are paid to entertain, they should remember that.

You clearly have only been a "fan" for a few years mate. Go and support someone else as booing your team becasue you are angry is childish bollocks.

First game was 15 years ago this boxing day.
Had a season ticket 10+ years. This is by far the dullest season I've seen.

[Millsy]

Note: I didn't watch the game. Since our oxf*rd this summer with transfers and being able to see what is blatant, I spend my hard earned money elsewhere when I couldn't be arsed. Nope, didn't even bother to listen to it. That's what messing around with promises gets you RFC. One of your loudest chantstarters down the years part responsible for many positive results, who now just doesn't give much of a toss.

If I was there though I wouldn't boo. Until the end. Anyone who boos during the game is, well, it's not my place to say after revealing the above. Do as you wish. You pay you money, you are entitled to do as you wish, but my advice is keep it for the end not during a game. If you want to send a message to RFC you'd be better off doing the honest thing and not turning up, like me. Tht way you send a message to the board but don't upset the players. Turning up lines the pockets of the lying board and upsets the players, who are only human trying their best.

Anyway with all the above negativity I don't know what the issue is really. Do people expect us to win every game?? When we win, we think we somehow have a God given right to win and get all upset because we didn't win 10-0 playing like Brazil, and when we lose all of a sudden hell breaks loose.

Let me spell it out for you: unless you're Arsenal playing by accident in League 2, games are going to be tough and no result is a foregone conclusion for anyone, ever. We have a team woefully understaffed and lopsided, which we now know (to the embarrassment of a number of overly positive morons here trying to defend the club this summer) is because things are not right at the club. No decent CB cover, no left back, no decent striker plan B, no attacking midfielder etc. On the other hand we've a good backbone of big wage players and a top top manager. So surprise surprise we win most our games and yes we lose a couple here and there, and yes we're a playoff side. All pretty expectable stuff.

Until we have some resolution as to what's happening at the top, we'll continue to have a poor manager brought in for his ability to spend with some balls and build a Prem team but without those promised funds, trying to carve out results with quite possibly the most unbalanced and lacking squad in the football league. We can't ask for more.

So either turn up and shrug your shoulders at the odd defeat and move on. Or don't bother going.

[WestRoyal]

He zipped loads in... No-one to feet on the end of it. Ah, maybe you had gone by then, got it. Apologies.

I don't think urz13 knows a good cross doesn't always mean one that will fall on someones head or foot. Sometimes a good cross is one that is put in the danger area for the striker to attack as once stated by mr shearer himself if my word ain't good enough. Don't worry though urz13 drenthe will come good and I'm sure he will get on the assist/goal chart very soon so there is no need to try and put McClearys game down to make him look better.

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

Good post 2ww1wc.

Booing during play is not good, at half time and full time in about see. Only during play for a poor ref or something really bad by an opposition player.

[Barry the bird boggler]

People boo through frustration because the expectation set by the club is that much higher and there is no sign of that expectation being met.

Not saying it's right but it's going to happen from time to time while this club continues to fail to get near those expectation levels on the pitch. And that doesn't mean winning every game, that means showing at least some semblance of competence which, to be quite honest, has not been present for much of the last 4 games and in barely any home games cone to that.

[SHORT AND CURLY]

I didn't boo. I was down right hacked off though.

I obviously like many others fail to see a game plan. I hear of the 'passing game', yet to see any evidence of it even slightly working. All I see are eleven players in Reading shirts plodding about the pitch. No movement or spark. The opposition are first to all the 50/50's and are far hungrier.

I can put up with losing if they actually try (Like 2nd half yesterday) But that was just kitchen sink stuff and will not be sustainable in a normal 90 minutes. Why oh why don't they start off on the front foot. WTF does the manager say to motivate the players

I could go on and on because its really poor at the moment. (Oh and don't you apologists starting whining about us being in the play offs because each and everyone one of us knows that we will not sustain that position playing like we are)

[MR. CYNICAL]

It seems that this discussion board has now been swamped by a bunch of bickering school children.
Anyone who has a different opinion to someone else is subjected to abuse and redicule.
Next time you are at a game and sitting near someone booing or getting on the teams back, call them a 'mong' to their face,
not on here hiding behind your pc or whatever.
You may get more than you bargained for!!

[Reading4eva]

It seems that this discussion board has now been swamped by a bunch of bickering school children.
Anyone who has a different opinion to someone else is subjected to abuse and redicule.
Next time you are at a game and sitting near someone booing or getting on the teams back, call them a 'mong' to their face,
not on here hiding behind your pc or whatever.
You may get more than you bargained for!!

Mong

[Man Friday]

Note: I didn't watch the game. Since our oxf*rd this summer with transfers and being able to see what is blatant, I spend my hard earned money elsewhere when I couldn't be arsed. Nope, didn't even bother to listen to it. That's what messing around with promises gets you RFC. One of your loudest chantstarters down the years part responsible for many positive results, who now just doesn't give much of a toss.

If I was there though I wouldn't boo. Until the end. Anyone who boos during the game is, well, it's not my place to say after revealing the above. Do as you wish. You pay you money, you are entitled to do as you wish, but my advice is keep it for the end not during a game. If you want to send a message to RFC you'd be better off doing the honest thing and not turning up, like me. Tht way you send a message to the board but don't upset the players. Turning up lines the pockets of the lying board and upsets the players, who are only human trying their best.

Anyway with all the above negativity I don't know what the issue is really. Do people expect us to win every game?? When we win, we think we somehow have a God given right to win and get all upset because we didn't win 10-0 playing like Brazil, and when we lose all of a sudden hell breaks loose.

Let me spell it out for you: unless you're Arsenal playing by accident in League 2, games are going to be tough and no result is a foregone conclusion for anyone, ever. We have a team woefully understaffed and lopsided, which we now know (to the embarrassment of a number of overly positive morons here trying to defend the club this summer) is because things are not right at the club. No decent CB cover, no left back, no decent striker plan B, no attacking midfielder etc. On the other hand we've a good backbone of big wage players and a top top manager. So surprise surprise we win most our games and yes we lose a couple here and there, and yes we're a playoff side. All pretty expectable stuff.

Until we have some resolution as to what's happening at the top, we'll continue to have a poor manager brought in for his ability to spend with some balls and build a Prem team but without those promised funds, trying to carve out results with quite possibly the most unbalanced and lacking squad in the football league. We can't ask for more.

So either turn up and shrug your shoulders at the odd defeat and move on. Or don't bother going.

Well said, plus I agree with virtually everything you say on this occasion. It reflects my thoughts, views and approach this season. Had enough of the bullsh1t and on the whole, for the reasons you give, I'm taking my hard-earned money elsewhere.

[Man Friday]

3 questions about the match.
Shouldn't we have had a pen for handball? Looked like it on the telly?
Did Pog hit the post at the end or was it a save from the keeper?
Why wasn't Nige (or anyone from Reading) interviewed after the match on the FL Show?

[paultheroyal]

3 questions about the match.
Shouldn't we have had a pen for handball? Looked like it on the telly?
Did Pog hit the post at the end or was it a save from the keeper?
Why wasn't Nige (or anyone from Reading) interviewed after the match on the FL Show?

In answer to the question marks...

No
No
Yes, Yes
Christmas Party

[royalsteve]

Worst performer of the day - 95% of the fans who are massivs divs that can't see their motivational booing and groaning doesn't help things.

agreed

[royalsteve]

Embarrassment of a first half, then a change to 2-6-2

Just

thought it 2-2-6

at some stages it seemed like 1-0-10 , lol