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Re: CheLOLsea

by Royalclapper » 27 Apr 2014 18:29

Would you say they are a bigger job than Real Madrid?

Inter are a big club but the second biggest club in their City and third biggest in their country so they view themselves as the underdog, which Mourinho thrives on.

Explained, in a better way, by Gab Marcotti:

'The siege mentality works when you can think of yourself as a victim or an underdog. It's a staple for coaches everywhere, right down to Little League. “Gentlemen, it's us against the world ... how bad do you want it?” That approach may have worked at Inter, where the club saw themselves as outsiders to the Milan-Juventus hegemony, and at Chelsea, where they were the nouveau riche upstarts upsetting the social order. But this was Spain, and Real Madrid -- more than any other club -- represent the Establishment. Trying to recast Real as some kind of persecuted underdog simply didn't play. Many Real fans saw it as humiliating. Supporters of other clubs, particularly those that did have legitimate gripes, saw it as a joke.

(It's not a coincidence that Mourinho enjoys his strongest support among Real's “Ultras Sur.” They're a subset of the fan base who legitimately do consider themselves outsiders battling “the system.” Mourinho naturally resonates with them.)'

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/5412?cc=5739


So why did Real Madrid employ him then?

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Re: CheLOLsea

by sandman » 27 Apr 2014 18:41

You'd have to ask Florentino Perez that one. Most likely it was for the same reason Perez makes most of his Presidential decisions because Mourinho had success having just won the CL and had the best record for winning trophies outside of Guardiola and Ferguson.

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Re: CheLOLsea

by Victor Meldrew » 27 Apr 2014 19:40

MmmMonsterMunch
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Textbook performance, excellent defending, totally nullified Liverpool. Still think Liverpool will win the league but let's hope City take it to wire with a win now.


Always delivers the goods even though he is very unlikeable most of the time.

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"Always delivers the goods"?
Did you not notice what happened last week at home to the bottom club to put themselves out of the title race?
If he is such a master tactician how did he contrive to lose to Sunderland.

When he first came here he was like a breath of fresh air but he has become a parody of himself and just a nasty little git.
It would be really interesting to see how he managed a team that didn't cost a small fortune (Chelsea first time round, Inter, Real Madrid and Chelsea again) as it is a hell of a lot easier to manage top players-he did it on the way up with Porto and I wonder if he could do it again without the big cheque book.
BTW lol @ Chelsea fans celebrating as if they had won the league-they are now 14/1.
City's game at Everton now becomes a crucial game whilst Chelsea stand by and watch the two big Northern clubs slug it out to be champions.

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Re: CheLOLsea

by Bandini » 27 Apr 2014 21:55

winchester_royal Likely? No, no it isn't.


More likely than Liverpool beating Chelsea 9 times out of 10.

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Re: CheLOLsea

by No Fixed Abode » 28 Apr 2014 00:12

Victor Meltdowndrew is massively rattLOLed and Winchester Royal confirming again he knows nothing about football.


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Re: CheLOLsea

by Wimb » 28 Apr 2014 06:02

Don't understand the criticism of Jose's tactics.

He put out a side to play a certain way to get a result and they got it, surely that's the job of any football manager?

It's not as if Chelsea do this every week and the fact he can change the way his team is set up and still get results makes him an even better manager in my eyes than a man who'll stubbornly refuse to change his tactics even if it costs his team dearly. Sure Mourinho gets it wrong from time to time but more often than not he finds a way to win games.

If the roles had been reversed then I'm sure Brendan would have done the same and let's not pretend he's never played cautious football on the counter attack, I seem to remember his Swansea side sitting back and only nicking a 1-0 win at the Madejski thanks to a goal from Scott Sinclair on the break.

All credit to Liverpool who I still feel will win the title but yesterday was a big lesson for that young side if they want to be competing for trophies year in year out.

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Re: CheLOLsea

by stealthpapes » 28 Apr 2014 09:29

Royalclapper
Would you say they are a bigger job than Real Madrid?

Inter are a big club but the second biggest club in their City and third biggest in their country so they view themselves as the underdog, which Mourinho thrives on.

Explained, in a better way, by Gab Marcotti:

'The siege mentality works when you can think of yourself as a victim or an underdog. It's a staple for coaches everywhere, right down to Little League. “Gentlemen, it's us against the world ... how bad do you want it?” That approach may have worked at Inter, where the club saw themselves as outsiders to the Milan-Juventus hegemony, and at Chelsea, where they were the nouveau riche upstarts upsetting the social order. But this was Spain, and Real Madrid -- more than any other club -- represent the Establishment. Trying to recast Real as some kind of persecuted underdog simply didn't play. Many Real fans saw it as humiliating. Supporters of other clubs, particularly those that did have legitimate gripes, saw it as a joke.

(It's not a coincidence that Mourinho enjoys his strongest support among Real's “Ultras Sur.” They're a subset of the fan base who legitimately do consider themselves outsiders battling “the system.” Mourinho naturally resonates with them.)'

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/5412?cc=5739


So why did Real Madrid employ him then?


... because he's one of, if not the, best managers around at the moment?

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Re: CheLOLsea

by stealthpapes » 28 Apr 2014 09:31

No Fixed Abode Victor Meltdowndrew is massively rattLOLed and Winchester Royal confirming again he knows nothing about football.


for once, a bit of an agreed.

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Re: CheLOLsea

by Whatevs » 28 Apr 2014 09:47

yep +1 to the NFA


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Re: CheLOLsea

by Hendo » 28 Apr 2014 10:15

Credit must really go to both the players and the manager. If the players aren't good enough to put the tactics of the manager into place then Chelsea would have lost that game.

Credit to Jose for the tactics and being able to get his message over to the players effectively and coaching them to play like that.

Credit to the players for being able to sustain those tactics for 90 minutes effectively.

Chelsea got it spot on yesterday, if it was boring, it was boring. I know that if it had been Reading in that situation, I wouldn't care that it was boring.

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by Extended-Phenotype » 28 Apr 2014 10:38

I probably wouldn’t have noticed it myself but the analysis on MOTD highlighted the perfect rigidity of Chelsea’s back 9 – they were so well drilled they couldn’t have played more as a unit if the imaginary lines connecting them on the screen were real ropes tying them together. The thought going into the strategy, the coaching that must have been required and the discipline of the players to execute it so perfectly has to be hailed even if it was the definition of ‘anti-football’.

Agreed though, Chelsea scoring was down to little more than luck.

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by No Fixed Abode » 28 Apr 2014 10:59

genome http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/9140653/jose-mourinho-west-ham-play-football-from-19th-century

:?


West Ham fans have been massively rattLOLed by that statement from Jose. Didn't know you were a Hammer!


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Re: CheLOLsea

by genome » 28 Apr 2014 12:15

Bit hypocritical of Jose to lower himself to such a style of football after those comments though isn't it :?:

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Re: CheLOLsea

by Angry Shed Sex » 28 Apr 2014 12:18

genome Bit hypocritical of Jose to lower himself to such a style of football after those comments though isn't it :?:

All managers are hypocrites.

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Re: CheLOLsea

by No Fixed Abode » 28 Apr 2014 12:37

Extended-Phenotype I probably wouldn’t have noticed it myself but the analysis on MOTD highlighted the perfect rigidity of Chelsea’s back 9 – they were so well drilled they couldn’t have played more as a unit if the imaginary lines connecting them on the screen were real ropes tying them together. The thought going into the strategy, the coaching that must have been required and the discipline of the players to execute it so perfectly has to be hailed even if it was the definition of ‘anti-football’.

Agreed though, Chelsea scoring was down to little more than luck.


:lol:

Two games against Liverpool this season, we've scored 4 goals to their 1. Luck.

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Re: CheLOLsea

by TBM » 28 Apr 2014 12:45

Listing to the game yesterday they talked about Chelseas "kids" - it got me thinking, who was the last person from their academy to break into the first team (by break in to, i mean a regular not just the odd carling cup game etc)

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Re: CheLOLsea

by 6ft Kerplunk » 28 Apr 2014 12:53

John Terry probably.

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by No Fixed Abode » 28 Apr 2014 13:04

6ft Kerplunk John Terry probably.


Yes.

PS. Don't forget it's Fulham v Chelsea in the FA Youth Cup final tonight on ITV4.

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Re: CheLOLsea

by Whatevs » 28 Apr 2014 13:25

How many players actually make it through Prem academies in general btw?

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