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[jd82]

In real time it was definitely hard to call.

Seems weird this is getting more discussion than the obvious penalty on Cesc v Arsenal on Sunday. Moments later Matic gets a yellow for exactly the same offence but outside the box on Alexis Sanchez.

Not really m8.. The Cesc non-decision didn't ultimately have an impact on the result.

[6ft Kerplunk]

Didn't realise the lino was this far out of position, although probably made his view clearer.


Its marginal though as this angle to me makes it look like it's not all the way over.


Much like close offside decisions he can't call it unless he's 100% sure its out and it did happen at speed. You only need to look at corners being taken these days to see how far over the line the bottom of the ball looks when part of it is still over the line.

[Nameless]

The seemed to think that because they could see some grass the ball was out.

That's typically a good rule of thumb. You see a bit of green between ball and line - ball is probably going to be completely over the line.

The few yards out of position will screw you because of perspective and parallax.

Shame. Preferred Everton to go through.

I'd be very wary of a rule of thumb that is likely to give you the wrong answer more often than the right one in these tight situations.
Especially when just knowing the law is as easy as a poor substitute way of looking at it.
Every week at the Madejski the home fans get wound up at corners by visiting players placing the ball well outside the quadrant. But they do it so the edge of the ball overhangs the outer edge of the line. There is plenty of grass clearly visible but the ball is technically in a legal position.

However this is also another example of how greater TV analysis is making the game almost impossible to referee. Once upon a time we allowed officials to operate within sensible tolerances, now a decision shown by multiple slow motion replays to be marginally incorrect is called an 'error' or 'controversial'. Referees are expected to make judgements that are just about impossible to do. This call wasn't an error, there's nothing conclusive either way. Players made way more avoidable errors than the officials (see Aguero's air shot or the City defence for Barclay's goal !)

[Vision]

Also Martinez is such a whiney pcunt, even by most football manager standards.

[No Fixed Abode]

In real time it was definitely hard to call.

Seems weird this is getting more discussion than the obvious penalty on Cesc v Arsenal on Sunday. Moments later Matic gets a yellow for exactly the same offence but outside the box on Alexis Sanchez.

Not really m8.. The Cesc non-decision didn't ultimately have an impact on the result.

So that's ok then. Well done the officials.

[Nameless]

It wasn't exactly the same offence.

[Silver Fox]

In real time it was definitely hard to call.

Seems weird this is getting more discussion than the obvious penalty on Cesc v Arsenal on Sunday. Moments later Matic gets a yellow for exactly the same offence but outside the box on Alexis Sanchez.

also, as someone who just wants to see consistency I'm amazed you've not been up in arms over Stoke's offside goal on Tuesday

[stealthpapes]

The seemed to think that because they could see some grass the ball was out.

That's typically a good rule of thumb. You see a bit of green between ball and line - ball is probably going to be completely over the line.

The few yards out of position will screw you because of perspective and parallax.

Shame. Preferred Everton to go through.

I'd be very wary of a rule of thumb that is likely to give you the wrong answer more often than the right one in these tight situations.

It doesn't though, does it? Which is why its a good rule of thumb.

[floyd__streete]

So that shifty little git Martinez - one of the most cynical cheats it was ever my misfortune to pay to watch when he was a player - blaming it all on a fractional decision by the officials to cover up for the fact his team defend like ****s most of the time

[AthleticoSpizz]

I got banned from 606 for that kind've Martinez love

[jd82]

In real time it was definitely hard to call.

Seems weird this is getting more discussion than the obvious penalty on Cesc v Arsenal on Sunday. Moments later Matic gets a yellow for exactly the same offence but outside the box on Alexis Sanchez.

Not really m8.. The Cesc non-decision didn't ultimately have an impact on the result.

So that's ok then. Well done the officials.

Even for you, that is some weak stuff.

[Nameless]

That's typically a good rule of thumb. You see a bit of green between ball and line - ball is probably going to be completely over the line.

The few yards out of position will screw you because of perspective and parallax.

Shame. Preferred Everton to go through.

I'd be very wary of a rule of thumb that is likely to give you the wrong answer more often than the right one in these tight situations.

It doesn't though, does it? Which is why its a good rule of thumb.

Of course it does. If the ball is clearly out you have no need for a rule of thumb, if it's marginal then your rule of thumb fails. Why use a proxy when the real thing works better ?

[stealthpapes]

... because the game moves quickly and its easier to spot a thread of a different, dark colour between a white line and light coloured ball.

Jesus. Fucking. Wept.

[stealthpapes]

If you're going to do this, at least find an example where the rule of thumb referenced clearly hasn't worked. It shouldn't be too hard.

[Nameless]

If you're going to do this, at least find an example where the rule of thumb referenced clearly hasn't worked. It shouldn't be too hard.

Try doing the referees course, if you do it with the Reading RA they have some excellent slides illustrating ball in and out of play issues. They never refer to a rule of thumb involving looking for a strip of grass. It might be an option if you are viewing the situation from directly above but from pitch level it's simply irrelevant and as you yourself admitted the usual TV angles are so misleading that second guessing situations from poor positions is a waste of time.
Am I right you are an Oxbridge academic type ?

[No Fixed Abode]

Week in, week out we see linesmen miss the most obvious things. Every game I see a player or two or three take a throw in with their feet over the dead ball line and a foul throw is never given. Every week we see the ball not all the way over the line yet the linesman gives a throw in.

[Nameless]

The dead ball line marks the end of the scoring area in rugby.
I've never seen anyone take a throw in from there, even at a shared stadium.

Terminology aside I'd suggest you are wrong, I can't recall seeing a player step over the touch line while taking a throw with any regularity. If you'd commented on foul throws with the hands you may have had a little more of a case, but even that is fairly rare.

[No Fixed Abode]

Terminology aside I'd suggest you are wrong, I can't recall seeing a player step over the touch line while taking a throw with any regularity. .

It happens in most games m8 on several occasions.. Granted you can't really gain much advantage from it but it's against the rules of the game.

[Nameless]

There are no rules in football.

And it doesn't happen repeatedly in most games, as you a) well know and b) have no idea about given you don't watch most games

[jd82]

You only need part of each foot on or behind the line anyway according to the rules*. So as long as both heels are clipping the line it's all gravy.