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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by Ian Royal » 14 Mar 2016 21:06

Maguire Don't understand this obsession with "playing the kids". I think it's only fans who want this kind of thing.

The idea that the club don't know how good the youth players are until they've seen them get outplayed by seasoned pros is ridiculous - if any of them are good enough to get in the starting XI then they'd be in the matchday squad already.

Personally I have no interest in paying my money to watch half an academy team get beat 3-0.

Play your best team, pick up some momentum, go into next season with a winning mentality not a losing one.

To an extent. But good players with potential don't get better unless they play. You don't get Academy products entering the first team as the finished article.

Small changes here and there though. Minutes from the bench. But not quite yet, and maybe not in the last two games.

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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by CountryRoyal » 14 Mar 2016 21:26

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Maguire Don't understand this obsession with "playing the kids". I think it's only fans who want this kind of thing.

The idea that the club don't know how good the youth players are until they've seen them get outplayed by seasoned pros is ridiculous - if any of them are good enough to get in the starting XI then they'd be in the matchday squad already.

Personally I have no interest in paying my money to watch half an academy team get beat 3-0.

Play your best team, pick up some momentum, go into next season with a winning mentality not a losing one.

To an extent. But good players with potential don't get better unless they play. You don't get Academy products entering the first team as the finished article.

Small changes here and there though. Minutes from the bench. But not quite yet, and maybe not in the last two games.


Get mathematically first and then play the kids. No point in playing players who won't be here next year and it will be a good opportunity to play some of our younger players without too much expectation/fear.

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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by Lower West » 14 Mar 2016 23:06

Evans should start coming off the bench for some game time.

Change needs to made gradually. McD has set out the formation. Now just needs to work out who can play in the system and who doesn't fit.

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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by SCIAG » 16 Mar 2016 18:08

Maguire Don't understand this obsession with "playing the kids". I think it's only fans who want this kind of thing.

The idea that the club don't know how good the youth players are until they've seen them get outplayed by seasoned pros is ridiculous - if any of them are good enough to get in the starting XI then they'd be in the matchday squad already.

Personally I have no interest in paying my money to watch half an academy team get beat 3-0.

Play your best team, pick up some momentum, go into next season with a winning mentality not a losing one.

Agree about playing a strong side and finishing the season on a high.

There are a few recent examples of the club taking too long to play a youngster. Gylfi didn't suddenly become the best player at the club in the middle of October, he should probably have been playing long before then. We spent years waiting for Hope Akpan to do something good, but now the consensus seems to be that Aaron Tshibola is better than Karacan or Williams, who were both better than Akpan. He should have been playing ahead of Akpan two years ago.

I don't think anyone's calling for players like Noor Husin or Sam Smith to come from nowhere to start every week, they just want players who have been on the fringes for a while - two years, in some cases - to get some extra minutes. Personally I'd like Fosu and Stacey to start coming on for the last 15-30 minutes to inject some extra energy.

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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by Victor Meldrew » 16 Mar 2016 19:41

The Academy was going to be the answer to our future success and millions have been poured into the running of it with what end result or what current result?
People talk about playing our strongest side but what is our strongest side?
The side that is now 6 points off the relegation places?
I don't see any of our U21 or U18 games so posters will know better than me who , if any that have not gone out on loan, are pressing for a first team place.

Young Kuhl went up to Scotland for a few months and played in a dreadful side but has he come back a little more street wise?
When he did play those few games for us he looked perfectly adequate and yet , even though we are in 15th spot, he never seems to get near the first team-why?
Is he injured?

I like the idea of playing the kids but aren't Tanner and Samuel out on loan for the rest of the season?
If they are our better prospects presumably those that are available and not out on loan are not so good therefore the step up would be too much.
Cooper, for better or worse, has become a regular as would Tish be but we don't seem to be unravelling many genuine prospects.
Should, as they have done at Man Utd, the Academy people be subject to greater scrutiny?
Are we getting the prospects that might previously have gone to Southampton?

There doesn't seem much point in Brian just playing the kids because he can then say he has given them a chance but we do need something different to watch for the rest of the season and keep the fans interested even if it is only the likes of Fernandez, Keown, Evans and maybe the U21 keeper (on the basis that Bond may not be the answer for the future).


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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by Crowbar6753 » 16 Mar 2016 20:00

I think its almost time to start bringing a few of the promising youngsters though and giving them 30mins as a substitute appearance and start getting them more involved with the first team. I would prefer to get 6 more points on board before we really start to bring these guys through just to ensure we are safe from the drop, the issue we have is that it may take 5 or 6 games to get these points on board.
I think most of us agree that nearly all of our loanee's with not be returning to the club, so it does kind of make sense to use the remaining 10 games to blood some of these younger players, time that we may not be able to afford at the start of next season. Unless we have no choice in the matter !!!
The team really has lost its spark recently and there really is no harm in giving the likes of Fosu, Stacey and Keown a bit of a go in the first team. It may be the kick up the arse that some of the first team players need to start performing to an acceptable level again, at least we know the youngster's will be hungry to impress and prove themselves worthy of a place in the starting line up....

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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by Hoop Blah » 17 Mar 2016 09:58

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Maguire Don't understand this obsession with "playing the kids". I think it's only fans who want this kind of thing.

The idea that the club don't know how good the youth players are until they've seen them get outplayed by seasoned pros is ridiculous - if any of them are good enough to get in the starting XI then they'd be in the matchday squad already.

Personally I have no interest in paying my money to watch half an academy team get beat 3-0.

Play your best team, pick up some momentum, go into next season with a winning mentality not a losing one.

Agree about playing a strong side and finishing the season on a high.

There are a few recent examples of the club taking too long to play a youngster. Gylfi didn't suddenly become the best player at the club in the middle of October, he should probably have been playing long before then. We spent years waiting for Hope Akpan to do something good, but now the consensus seems to be that Aaron Tshibola is better than Karacan or Williams, who were both better than Akpan. He should have been playing ahead of Akpan two years ago.

I don't think anyone's calling for players like Noor Husin or Sam Smith to come from nowhere to start every week, they just want players who have been on the fringes for a while - two years, in some cases - to get some extra minutes. Personally I'd like Fosu and Stacey to start coming on for the last 15-30 minutes to inject some extra energy.


Firstly, I think having players who've come through the academy and, ideally, are local lads adds a lot of soul and identity to the club. In this day and age of money ruling the game more than ever you'd hope that those players who'd grown up at the club have a bit more interest in seeing it succeed and giving that little bit extra to make it happen.

I'm not naive enough to think they wouldn't leave for more money like every other pro, but having local lads in the side makes it, for me, a team I can be more emotionally engaged with. Especially if I've seen them come through the ranks, make their debuts and develop in a Reading shirt.

When we have a load of mercenaries and loanees under performing in the first team I think it's quite natural to want to see some of our own local lads given a chance. They can't do much worse.

As for putting the kids in, of course the club don't really know how well a player is going to cope with playing first team football for us until it happens. It's an unknown how well a player will play in front of the crowd and how well they'll play alongside certain players and until they get thrown in it's a gamble, like it is with any signing.

It's also about timing and what the manager wants to do. For example, if Gunter is fit and available every week then Keown isn't likely to get a chance unless McDermott or Clarke wanted to experiment, or rest his first choice or switch things around. He may be held back because the right winger isn't playing well or for loads of other reasons, it doesn't mean Keown isn't very close to being ready or good enough.

As for Tshibola. I don't agree that he should've been playing a couple of years ago ahead of Akpan just because he's looked so good this season. It does seem that the loan move last year was the making of him and so it's a good example of when timing and opportunity plays a big part in giving the youngsters a chance.

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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by tidus_mi2 » 17 Mar 2016 13:03

Victor Meldrew The side that is now 6 points off the relegation places?.

8 points with a game in hand.

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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by P!ssed Off » 17 Mar 2016 14:01

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Maguire Don't understand this obsession with "playing the kids". I think it's only fans who want this kind of thing.

The idea that the club don't know how good the youth players are until they've seen them get outplayed by seasoned pros is ridiculous - if any of them are good enough to get in the starting XI then they'd be in the matchday squad already.

Personally I have no interest in paying my money to watch half an academy team get beat 3-0.

Play your best team, pick up some momentum, go into next season with a winning mentality not a losing one.

Definitely 'greed. Those that call for a team full of academy graduates are usually the loudest slagging off Cooper, Hector, Hal, Obita, etc etc.

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This is clearly nonsense without any foundation.


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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by genome » 17 Mar 2016 14:20

You must be new here.

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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by Forbury Lion » 17 Mar 2016 14:43

Maguire Don't understand this obsession with "playing with the kids". I think it's only pedophiles who want this kind of thing.
Corrected.

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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by Forbury Lion » 17 Mar 2016 14:46

When we are safe from relegation, I would be happy to see the focus shift to team building for next season.....If we're pants then Brian can at least use that as leverage to show the board that we need to sign new players.

I would tell those left out that I'm doing it to show the board how much we need to sign you permanently (even if not true) so that we don't upset them and cause the likes of Vydra and John to not want to sign for us, should we decide we want to sign them.

Cooper will only get better with experience, so I would want to see him start every game he's available for to get as much experience this season.

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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by genome » 17 Mar 2016 14:50

I swear we were all having this discussion at practically the same time last year...


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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by floyd__streete » 18 Mar 2016 13:03

Maguire Don't understand this obsession with "playing the kids". I think it's only fans who want this kind of thing.

Personally I have no interest in paying my money to watch half an academy team get beat 3-0.


You've forgotten how inherently mental Reading fans are though. There will be some wondering why AaROFLon KuhLOL isn't in the England squad for the pre-Euro 2016 friendlies, remember how brilliant everyone decided he was :?:

I'd accept Reading finishing in the middle 8 of the Championship for every season forever more which our current manager is more than capable of delivering for us under our current mercenary crop of property developer owners. Unless there was ever a sea-change and someone came in who genuinely showed some structured sort of sustainable ambition for progression. Don't hold your breath, eh.

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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by ROWY » 20 Mar 2016 20:05

Absolutely not

Whilst our season is over and done, others are not

It is very possible that our games could influence the outcome of others

In order to maintain the integrity of the division we must largely play our best available team

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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by sandman » 20 Mar 2016 20:14

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Maguire Don't understand this obsession with "playing the kids". I think it's only fans who want this kind of thing.

Personally I have no interest in paying my money to watch half an academy team get beat 3-0.


You've forgotten how inherently mental Reading fans are though. There will be some wondering why AaROFLon KuhLOL isn't in the England squad for the pre-Euro 2016 friendlies, remember how brilliant everyone decided he was :?:

I'd accept Reading finishing in the middle 8 of the Championship for every season forever more which our current manager is more than capable of delivering for us under our current mercenary crop of property developer owners. Unless there was ever a sea-change and someone came in who genuinely showed some structured sort of sustainable ambition for progression. Don't hold your breath, eh.


No need for that, but then it's your sad little gimmick.

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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by Lower West » 20 Mar 2016 22:37

Silver Fox ^that, the obsession with playing the kids has meant we've ended up with Jake Cooper in central defence


Surprised me to learn that Héctor Bellerín at Arsenal was only 21 yesterday. So younger than Cooper. Shows that age isn't everything.

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Re: Would you accept an experimental period

by floyd__streete » 21 Mar 2016 12:59

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floyd__streete You've forgotten how inherently mental Reading fans are though. There will be some wondering why AaROFLon KuhLOL isn't in the England squad for the pre-Euro 2016 friendlies, remember how brilliant everyone decided he was :?:

I'd accept Reading finishing in the middle 8 of the Championship for every season forever more which our current manager is more than capable of delivering for us under our current mercenary crop of property developer owners. Unless there was ever a sea-change and someone came in who genuinely showed some structured sort of sustainable ambition for progression. Don't hold your breath, eh.


No need for that, but then it's your sad little gimmick.


What are you going on about now, you little weirdo :lol: :?:

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