How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

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Fucking hell the irony is physically painful

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Fucking hell the irony is physically painful

I know - so why do it?

[Extended-Phenotype]

A question few will ask when you inevitably hang yourself

[Maneki Neko]

you've gone too far this time, you're dancing on the dangerline

[Snowball136]

Steve Coppell's Win Percentage was 44.33

McDermott

P 023 W 09 D 07 L 07 = 39.13% - 2015-16
P 169 W 76 D 43 L 50 = 44.97% - Previous Reign
P 192 W 85 D 50 L 57 = 44.27% - All Games



Considering most here say Coppell inherited a decent set-up and an ambitious board
whereas McDermott had to save a side in free-fall TWICE, I have to say his record is
absolutely brilliant.

Day to Day I don't think Wow! But the stats say he's very, very good indeed.

[Maneki Neko]

agreed

[Forbury Lion]

Is his job statistically safe then?

[Maneki Neko]

all bets are off with these owners, who knows how trigger happy they remain

[One8Seven1*]

Steve Coppell's Win Percentage was 44.33

McDermott

P 023 W 09 D 07 L 07 = 39.13% - 2015-16
P 169 W 76 D 43 L 50 = 44.97% - Previous Reign
P 192 W 85 D 50 L 57 = 44.27% - All Games



Considering most here say Coppell inherited a decent set-up and an ambitious board
whereas McDermott had to save a side in free-fall TWICE, I have to say his record is
absolutely brilliant.

Day to Day I don't think Wow! But the stats say he's very, very good indeed.

Coppell didn't have an ambitous board in terms of investment. We would carefully add one big singing each summer, approx. £800,000 and the promotion season £1m with Leroy Lita, and then clever bargain buys around them. Ambitious in words but not in financial backing.

[Maneki Neko]

Steve Coppell's Win Percentage was 44.33

McDermott

P 023 W 09 D 07 L 07 = 39.13% - 2015-16
P 169 W 76 D 43 L 50 = 44.97% - Previous Reign
P 192 W 85 D 50 L 57 = 44.27% - All Games



Considering most here say Coppell inherited a decent set-up and an ambitious board
whereas McDermott had to save a side in free-fall TWICE, I have to say his record is
absolutely brilliant.

Day to Day I don't think Wow! But the stats say he's very, very good indeed.

Coppell didn't have an ambitous board in terms of investment. We would carefully add one big singing each summer, approx. £800,000 and the promotion season £1m with Leroy Lita, and then clever bargain buys around them. Ambitious in words but not in financial backing.

[No Fixed Abode]

A question few will ask when you inevitably hang yourself

Instead of doing drugs get yourself down the gym to get rid of you pent up frustration at life.

[leon]

A question few will ask when you inevitably hang yourself

Instead of doing drugs get yourself down the gym to get rid of you pent up frustration at life.

And trim your arm pit hair. You're a disgrace.

[Lower West]

Ambitious in words but not in financial backing.

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Easy to overlook how much Sir John personally injected into the club to allow it to establish itself. Even building the Madstad was a leap of faith. Average attendance only being 10,500 in the first 2 seasons. Hard to believe we've now been here 18 years.

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

Often wonder if ppg has a role to play, as much as win %.

What is it for SSC and McD Mr snowball

[marlowuk]

Stats are useful but they do not tell the whole story. I was sceptical about having Brian back but it is clear that the team now play with more passion and more 'togetherness' than they ever did under Clarke (barring half a dozen games at the start of this season possibly). Brian is slowly weaning us off the use of loan players and the team are now playing with pace and with more confidence. He protects his players and it seems to me that he has a good relationship with them. I am not convinced that he would be successful in the Premier League but that is a distant dream at the moment. For the present he IS the right manager for our club and all the signs are good.

[Extended-Phenotype]

I am not convinced that he would be successful in the Premier League

I kinda get where this opinion comes from, it was one I empathised with during our last stint up there but surely with the hindsight we have now this belief is losing its edge.

Firstly, it is very apparent now that the manner in which we won the championship, playing as some folk would say, simplistic football, was not really down to the manager lacking technical nous, but of the limitations of the players. we've seen how managers who followed him failed to install anything more technical with the players he had, and we've seen McD utilise plenty of different formations and styles of play other than direct football with a set of more capable players.

Secondly, we can appreciate now that we were swept up in this idea our new owner at the time was investing in the team and that we overpitched our expectations in light of the truth. Little money was invested, Few signings were his choice, and few worked out; I think we all forgot what a tough ask it was to stay up, even more so considering the lack of support he had and lack of quality he had pushed on him. What a difference one or two of those signings not being shit/pcunts would have made.

Thirdly, you don't always succeed at first attempt. It's a learning curve. If he had stayed on, we can safely say in hindsight he wouldn't have to have tried very hard to match the(lack of) success his successors had. Maybe he would have done better. Maybe, like with the championship, another stab at the Prem would have seen him succeed in keeping us up.

And finally, prior to their appointments, both Adkins and Clarke were quite highly regarded. Both were thought of as a step up from McD. But when presented with the state of affairs McD had, both also failed and neither could achieve anywhere near as much. Two 'better' managers couldn't address the problems we had, so it's pretty clear McD wasn't the issue and still isn't now.

So for me, the theory McD is a limited manager is a bit like believing the earth is flat - its kinda been debunked by the information we have now and while this doesn't mean he's the next Fergie or anything, surely we should stop hitting him with a stick that doesn't exist, clear the slate and see where he can take us in the following seasons.

[Snowball]

Often wonder if ppg has a role to play, as much as win %.

What is it for SSC and McD Mr snowball

The stats site lumps together league and cup so I can only do it awarding points fro cup games

023 - 009 - 07 - 07 = 034 Points in 023 Games = 1.48 ppg. = 69 Point Season McD II
169 - 076 - 43 - 50 = 271 Points in 169 Games = 1.60 ppg = 74 Point Season McD I
192 - 085 - 50 - 57 = 305 Points in 192 Games = 1.59 ppg = 73 Point Season McD I & II Combined

282 - 125 - 68 - 89 = 441 Points in 282 Games = 1.56 ppg = 72 Point Season Coppell



Both managers' stats are worse because of a relegation season in the Prem

Coppell also field reserve sides in the cups.

[Forbury Lion]

all bets are off with these owners, who knows how trigger happy they remain

Fair point, however with Nigel Howe in charge of day to day activities and the owners focusing on making money from the property side of things they might not be so inclined to interfere directly.

[Dr_Hfuhruhurr]

all bets are off with these owners, who knows how trigger happy they remain

Fair point, however with Nigel Howe in charge of day to day activities and the owners focusing on making money from the property side of things they might not be so inclined to interfere directly.

Was discussing this only at the weekend.
We just dont know what is going to happen. They might slap 10 mill down in a bid to up our profile, or Brian might be faced with trying to get 6 players with a million quid. I think we'll just have to wait and see. I suspect itll be somewhere in the middle if Im honest, but its not a gimme.