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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by Silver Fox » 21 Nov 2018 10:33

Good game last night, McLeish stays for now. Although if he fvcks up qualifying for 2020 does he get the boot and then the new man gets a free playoff?

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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by Stranded » 21 Nov 2018 10:37

Pots for Euro 2020 qualifying shown below:

UEFA Nations League pot (4): Switzerland*, Portugal*, Netherlands*, England*

Pot 1 (6): Belgium, France, Spain, Italy, Croatia, Poland

Pot 2 (10): Germany, Iceland, Bosnia and Herzegovina*, Ukraine*, Denmark*, Sweden*, Russia, Austria, Wales, Czech Republic

Pot 3 (10): Slovakia, Turkey, Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland*, Norway*, Serbia*, Finland*, Bulgaria, Israel

Pot 4 (10): Hungary, Romania, Greece, Albania, Montenegro, Cyprus, Estonia, Slovenia, Lithuania, Georgia*

Pot 5 (10): FYR Macedonia*, Kosovo*, Belarus*, Luxembourg, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Gibraltar, Faroe Islands

Pot 6 (5): Latvia, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Malta, San Marino

*denotes they have already secured a play-off place

England will be in a 5 team group (so no team from Pot 6), best draw likely:

England
Czech Republic
Israel
Albania
Gibraltar

Worst Draw

England
Germany
Scotland
Hungary
Macedonia

Though would expect them to safely qualify regardless of the draw

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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by stealthpapes » 21 Nov 2018 11:39

With two qualifiers, you'd have to go some.

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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by Kulshaw72RFC » 21 Nov 2018 16:31

Stranded Pots for Euro 2020 qualifying shown below:

UEFA Nations League pot (4): Switzerland*, Portugal*, Netherlands*, England*

Pot 1 (6): Belgium, France, Spain, Italy, Croatia, Poland

Pot 2 (10): Germany, Iceland, Bosnia and Herzegovina*, Ukraine*, Denmark*, Sweden*, Russia, Austria, Wales, Czech Republic

Pot 3 (10): Slovakia, Turkey, Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland*, Norway*, Serbia*, Finland*, Bulgaria, Israel

Pot 4 (10): Hungary, Romania, Greece, Albania, Montenegro, Cyprus, Estonia, Slovenia, Lithuania, Georgia*

Pot 5 (10): FYR Macedonia*, Kosovo*, Belarus*, Luxembourg, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Gibraltar, Faroe Islands

Pot 6 (5): Latvia, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Malta, San Marino

*denotes they have already secured a play-off place

England will be in a 5 team group (so no team from Pot 6), best draw likely:

England
Czech Republic
Israel
Albania
Gibraltar

Worst Draw

England
Germany
Scotland
Hungary
Macedonia

Though would expect them to safely qualify regardless of the draw


so if they have already got a play off place, why are they trying to qualify again? What happens if they lost all 10 games 8-0? Do they still have that play off??

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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by stealthpapes » 21 Nov 2018 18:59

Yes.

Not sure what's so hard to follow - think of it as a well-earned repechage.


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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by Zip » 21 Nov 2018 20:48

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Stranded Pots for Euro 2020 qualifying shown below:

UEFA Nations League pot (4): Switzerland*, Portugal*, Netherlands*, England*

Pot 1 (6): Belgium, France, Spain, Italy, Croatia, Poland

Pot 2 (10): Germany, Iceland, Bosnia and Herzegovina*, Ukraine*, Denmark*, Sweden*, Russia, Austria, Wales, Czech Republic

Pot 3 (10): Slovakia, Turkey, Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland*, Norway*, Serbia*, Finland*, Bulgaria, Israel

Pot 4 (10): Hungary, Romania, Greece, Albania, Montenegro, Cyprus, Estonia, Slovenia, Lithuania, Georgia*

Pot 5 (10): FYR Macedonia*, Kosovo*, Belarus*, Luxembourg, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Gibraltar, Faroe Islands

Pot 6 (5): Latvia, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Malta, San Marino

*denotes they have already secured a play-off place

England will be in a 5 team group (so no team from Pot 6), best draw likely:

England
Czech Republic
Israel
Albania
Gibraltar

Worst Draw

England
Germany
Scotland
Hungary
Macedonia

Though would expect them to safely qualify regardless of the draw


so if they have already got a play off place, why are they trying to qualify again? What happens if they lost all 10 games 8-0? Do they still have that play off??


On,y one team in each group will qualify through the play offs. So if England finished third in their Euro qualifying group they would have a second chance of qualifying if they win the League of Nations play offs.

If England finish first or second in their Euro qualifying group then they will not take part in the play offs as there will be no need. Their place in the play offs will then be taken by the next highest team in their League of Nations group, ie Spain. What I am unsure about is if Spain have also qualified what happens next. Do Croatia then take part in the play offs? However if they have already qualified too.....

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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by Stranded » 22 Nov 2018 09:30

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Stranded Pots for Euro 2020 qualifying shown below:

UEFA Nations League pot (4): Switzerland*, Portugal*, Netherlands*, England*

Pot 1 (6): Belgium, France, Spain, Italy, Croatia, Poland

Pot 2 (10): Germany, Iceland, Bosnia and Herzegovina*, Ukraine*, Denmark*, Sweden*, Russia, Austria, Wales, Czech Republic

Pot 3 (10): Slovakia, Turkey, Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland*, Norway*, Serbia*, Finland*, Bulgaria, Israel

Pot 4 (10): Hungary, Romania, Greece, Albania, Montenegro, Cyprus, Estonia, Slovenia, Lithuania, Georgia*

Pot 5 (10): FYR Macedonia*, Kosovo*, Belarus*, Luxembourg, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Gibraltar, Faroe Islands

Pot 6 (5): Latvia, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Malta, San Marino

*denotes they have already secured a play-off place

England will be in a 5 team group (so no team from Pot 6), best draw likely:

England
Czech Republic
Israel
Albania
Gibraltar

Worst Draw

England
Germany
Scotland
Hungary
Macedonia

Though would expect them to safely qualify regardless of the draw


so if they have already got a play off place, why are they trying to qualify again? What happens if they lost all 10 games 8-0? Do they still have that play off??


On,y one team in each group will qualify through the play offs. So if England finished third in their Euro qualifying group they would have a second chance of qualifying if they win the League of Nations play offs.

If England finish first or second in their Euro qualifying group then they will not take part in the play offs as there will be no need. Their place in the play offs will then be taken by the next highest team in their League of Nations group, ie Spain. What I am unsure about is if Spain have also qualified what happens next. Do Croatia then take part in the play offs? However if they have already qualified too.....


Play-off place goes to the first team that needs it. So if all League A teams qualify then League B teams will take those play-off slots.

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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by Sutekh » 22 Nov 2018 09:39

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Stranded Pots for Euro 2020 qualifying shown below:

UEFA Nations League pot (4): Switzerland*, Portugal*, Netherlands*, England*

Pot 1 (6): Belgium, France, Spain, Italy, Croatia, Poland

Pot 2 (10): Germany, Iceland, Bosnia and Herzegovina*, Ukraine*, Denmark*, Sweden*, Russia, Austria, Wales, Czech Republic

Pot 3 (10): Slovakia, Turkey, Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland*, Norway*, Serbia*, Finland*, Bulgaria, Israel

Pot 4 (10): Hungary, Romania, Greece, Albania, Montenegro, Cyprus, Estonia, Slovenia, Lithuania, Georgia*

Pot 5 (10): FYR Macedonia*, Kosovo*, Belarus*, Luxembourg, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Gibraltar, Faroe Islands

Pot 6 (5): Latvia, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Malta, San Marino

*denotes they have already secured a play-off place

England will be in a 5 team group (so no team from Pot 6), best draw likely:

England
Czech Republic
Israel
Albania
Gibraltar

Worst Draw

England
Germany
Scotland
Hungary
Macedonia

Though would expect them to safely qualify regardless of the draw


so if they have already got a play off place, why are they trying to qualify again? What happens if they lost all 10 games 8-0? Do they still have that play off??


On,y one team in each group will qualify through the play offs. So if England finished third in their Euro qualifying group they would have a second chance of qualifying if they win the League of Nations play offs.

If England finish first or second in their Euro qualifying group then they will not take part in the play offs as there will be no need. Their place in the play offs will then be taken by the next highest team in their League of Nations group, ie Spain. What I am unsure about is if Spain have also qualified what happens next. Do Croatia then take part in the play offs? However if they have already qualified too.....


If England qualify then then their spot will go to the next best-ranked team in their league. If a play off group does not have four teams to compete, then the remaining places are allocated to the next best ranked teams from the other leagues that haven't qualified.

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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by Silver Fox » 22 Nov 2018 09:43

I was under the impression that the winners of the Group A playoff (aka Nations League final) don't actually get a Euro 2020 place?


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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by Whore Jackie » 22 Nov 2018 13:12

TBF to UEFA this Nations League has actually been pretty good, but it seems very few people understand the qualification/promotion rules. Chap on Saturday at Junior#2's football match was insistent that England would qualify automatically for Euro2020 as long as they defeated Croatia the following day. :roll:

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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by Sutekh » 22 Nov 2018 14:33

Silver Fox I was under the impression that the winners of the Group A playoff (aka Nations League final) don't actually get a Euro 2020 place?


The winners of ALL FOUR Nations League group play offs get a Euro place.

Just to clarify qualification process, the link below sets out the whole deal

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/news ... 02936.html

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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by Stranded » 22 Nov 2018 14:36

Silver Fox I was under the impression that the winners of the Group A playoff (aka Nations League final) don't actually get a Euro 2020 place?


The play-offs yes - these take place in March 2020 post qualifying. The finals in June are a separate competition and have no link to Euro 2020 at all.

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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by stealthpapes » 22 Nov 2018 14:43

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Silver Fox I was under the impression that the winners of the Group A playoff (aka Nations League final) don't actually get a Euro 2020 place?


The winners of ALL FOUR Nations League group play offs get a Euro place.

Just to clarify qualification process, the link below sets out the whole deal

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/news ... 02936.html


Nations League Finals (which England are already in) =/= UEFA Euro 2020 qualifying play-offs (which England will be in should they fail to qualify normally).



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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by Silver Fox » 22 Nov 2018 14:59

So the 4 teams in the Nations League finalsare also in the League A playoffs if necessary?


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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by stealthpapes » 22 Nov 2018 15:11

I think so.


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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by Victor Meldrew » 22 Nov 2018 16:26

Silver Fox Good game last night, McLeish stays for now. Although if he fvcks up qualifying for 2020 does he get the boot and then the new man gets a free playoff?


From what I saw Scotland played some good stuff.
At times Forrest looked a bit like King Kenny-only "a bit "obvs but he has come alive for them of late.

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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by Zip » 22 Nov 2018 18:39

Silver Fox So the 4 teams in the Nations League finalsare also in the League A playoffs if necessary?




Yes but my understanding is that the Group A play offs take place next June before the Euro qualifiers finish in November. The play offs in the other groups take place in Match 2020 after the Euro qualifiers have been completed.

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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by Sutekh » 23 Nov 2018 09:26

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Silver Fox So the 4 teams in the Nations League finalsare also in the League A playoffs if necessary?




Yes but my understanding is that the Group A play offs take place next June before the Euro qualifiers finish in November. The play offs in the other groups take place in Match 2020 after the Euro qualifiers have been completed.


Nothing scheduled in June from what I can see. All playoffs are scheduled to begin on 26th March 2020.

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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by Silver Fox » 23 Nov 2018 09:59

Yeah, next June is the Nation's League finals, then in March all 4 groups playoff for the last 4 euro places, although the next confusing bit is how low down in group A do you go if the 4 group winners have already qualified?

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Re: Nations League & Friendlies

by stealthpapes » 23 Nov 2018 11:49

Silver Fox Yeah, next June is the Nation's League finals, then in March all 4 groups playoff for the last 4 euro places, although the next confusing bit is how low down in group A do you go if the 4 group winners have already qualified?


Group B, basically.

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