Rival Watch

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hound » 28 Jul 2020 11:34

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by getting promoted presumably


They also have parachute payments so probably have the grace of a year or two before anything serious, much like Villa. They had to go up otherwise they were going to be screwed.


Fingers crossed they stay down.


of course. Would love to see them stay down. As mentioned, a division with Fulham, Brentford, QPR, Luton, Wycombe, Bournemouth and Watford is a happy place to be.

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Re: Rival Watch

by leon » 28 Jul 2020 11:35

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They also have parachute payments so probably have the grace of a year or two before anything serious, much like Villa. They had to go up otherwise they were going to be screwed.


Fingers crossed they stay down.


of course. Would love to see them stay down. As mentioned, a division with Fulham, Brentford, QPR, Luton, Wycombe, Bournemouth and Watford is a happy place to be.


Nothing to do with any of that. I just hate them.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hendo » 28 Jul 2020 11:36

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Fingers crossed they stay down.


of course. Would love to see them stay down. As mentioned, a division with Fulham, Brentford, QPR, Luton, Wycombe, Bournemouth and Watford is a happy place to be.


Nothing to do with any of that. I just hate them.


First I’m hearing about that :shock:















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Re: Rival Watch

by Snowflake Royal » 28 Jul 2020 11:41

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Fingers crossed they stay down.


of course. Would love to see them stay down. As mentioned, a division with Fulham, Brentford, QPR, Luton, Wycombe, Bournemouth and Watford is a happy place to be.


Nothing to do with any of that. I just hate them.

Must be hard for you leon. Bot wanting them to go up, but not wanting to have to play them, lose to them or finish below them.

Bit lose lose.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hound » 28 Jul 2020 11:41

:)

yes, if only you'd said before Leon


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Re: Rival Watch

by tidus_mi2 » 28 Jul 2020 11:41

Be interesting if Bournemouth do end up sueing over the missed Sheffield United goal against Villa, with parachute payments, a hefty payout from Hawkeye or the PL will surely give Bournemouth way too much of a financial advantage next season.

That said I don't think they would be successful if they should, just thinking hypothetically if they were to win such a case.

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Re: Rival Watch

by leon » 28 Jul 2020 11:42

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of course. Would love to see them stay down. As mentioned, a division with Fulham, Brentford, QPR, Luton, Wycombe, Bournemouth and Watford is a happy place to be.


Nothing to do with any of that. I just hate them.

Must be hard for you leon. Bot wanting them to go up, but not wanting to have to play them, lose to them or finish below them.

Bit lose lose.


No I want them to stay down and go bankrupt and then get relegated.

Win win win.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hendo » 28 Jul 2020 11:45

tidus_mi2 Be interesting if Bournemouth do end up sueing over the missed Sheffield United goal against Villa, with parachute payments, a hefty payout from Hawkeye or the PL will surely give Bournemouth way too much of a financial advantage next season.

That said I don't think they would be successful if they should, just thinking hypothetically if they were to win such a case.


Don’t think there is much chance of that. It’s a pretty thin argument to point at that one specific moment which sent them down over the course of a 38 game season in which they lost 22 games.

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Re: Rival Watch

by leon » 28 Jul 2020 11:51

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tidus_mi2 Be interesting if Bournemouth do end up sueing over the missed Sheffield United goal against Villa, with parachute payments, a hefty payout from Hawkeye or the PL will surely give Bournemouth way too much of a financial advantage next season.

That said I don't think they would be successful if they should, just thinking hypothetically if they were to win such a case.


Don’t think there is much chance of that. It’s a pretty thin argument to point at that one specific moment which sent them down over the course of a 38 game season in which they lost 22 games.


Yeah. As presedents go - it would be pretty monumentally bad for sport.


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Re: Rival Watch

by Nameless » 28 Jul 2020 12:08

tidus_mi2 Be interesting if Bournemouth do end up sueing over the missed Sheffield United goal against Villa, with parachute payments, a hefty payout from Hawkeye or the PL will surely give Bournemouth way too much of a financial advantage next season.

That said I don't think they would be successful if they should, just thinking hypothetically if they were to win such a case.


It would open the way for us to sue over the failure to send off MCAteer in the playoff final.
Loss of PL sized income for 23 seasons, factoring in being robbed of the opportunity to play regular Champions league games wouldn’t give us a pretty useful war chest...

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Re: Rival Watch

by tidus_mi2 » 28 Jul 2020 12:11

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tidus_mi2 Be interesting if Bournemouth do end up sueing over the missed Sheffield United goal against Villa, with parachute payments, a hefty payout from Hawkeye or the PL will surely give Bournemouth way too much of a financial advantage next season.

That said I don't think they would be successful if they should, just thinking hypothetically if they were to win such a case.


It would open the way for us to sue over the failure to send off MCAteer in the playoff final.
Loss of PL sized income for 23 seasons, factoring in being robbed of the opportunity to play regular Champions league games wouldn’t give us a pretty useful war chest...

I like your thinking.

In that case I hope Bournemouth sue and win their case.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Snowflake Royal » 28 Jul 2020 12:14

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tidus_mi2 Be interesting if Bournemouth do end up sueing over the missed Sheffield United goal against Villa, with parachute payments, a hefty payout from Hawkeye or the PL will surely give Bournemouth way too much of a financial advantage next season.

That said I don't think they would be successful if they should, just thinking hypothetically if they were to win such a case.


Don’t think there is much chance of that. It’s a pretty thin argument to point at that one specific moment which sent them down over the course of a 38 game season in which they lost 22 games.


Yeah. As presedents go - it would be pretty monumentally bad for sport.

Yeah, you can normally point to dozens of questionable decisions by officials over a season.

I'm not sure how this one is different unless there's indisputable negligence on display.

Given reffing is such a hard job and all in real time that used to be impossible.


But iirc this is the one where the ball went over the line but Hawkeye didn't trigger and VAR didn't overrule.

If they can show negligence with Hawkeye - like someone forgot to turn it on, and it was within VAR's remit to disallow I think they have a slim chance because that's two on pitch officials, hawkeye and VAR all getting it wrong when at least half of them should get it right easily.

But if it was a technical issue or general flaw with Hawkeye because it couldn't see the ball properly and that specific thing isn't in VAR's remit they've got no hope.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hendo » 28 Jul 2020 12:56

Red card has been rescinded for the Brentford lad.


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Re: Rival Watch

by Nameless » 28 Jul 2020 13:21

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Don’t think there is much chance of that. It’s a pretty thin argument to point at that one specific moment which sent them down over the course of a 38 game season in which they lost 22 games.


Yeah. As presedents go - it would be pretty monumentally bad for sport.

Yeah, you can normally point to dozens of questionable decisions by officials over a season.

I'm not sure how this one is different unless there's indisputable negligence on display.

Given reffing is such a hard job and all in real time that used to be impossible.


But iirc this is the one where the ball went over the line but Hawkeye didn't trigger and VAR didn't overrule.

If they can show negligence with Hawkeye - like someone forgot to turn it on, and it was within VAR's remit to disallow I think they have a slim chance because that's two on pitch officials, hawkeye and VAR all getting it wrong when at least half of them should get it right easily.

But if it was a technical issue or general flaw with Hawkeye because it couldn't see the ball properly and that specific thing isn't in VAR's remit they've got no hope.


I think it was confirmed pretty quickly afterwards that it was a really unlucky and highly unusual situation where all 6 cameras were blocked by players and therefore didn’t register. Presumably because they have the cameras the officials have stopped actually looking for these decisions and possibly it is not within the VAR remit to rule on these (if not then perhaps that needs changing and be allowed as a fall back, although it wouldn’t be perfect as there would be no alert and players would start demanding VAR checked every goal line decision that didn’t show the ball was over the line.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Nameless » 28 Jul 2020 13:22

Hendo Red card has been rescinded for the Brentford lad.


Poor decision, once more the referee is undermined for no good reason.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Old Man Andrews » 28 Jul 2020 14:01

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Hendo Red card has been rescinded for the Brentford lad.


Poor decision, once more the referee is undermined for no good reason.

The fact it wasn't even a foul doesn't help the referee.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hound » 28 Jul 2020 14:14

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Hendo Red card has been rescinded for the Brentford lad.


Poor decision, once more the referee is undermined for no good reason.

The fact it wasn't even a foul doesn't help the referee.


surprised to be honest. Thought it was a clear red

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Re: Rival Watch

by URZZZZ » 28 Jul 2020 14:16

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Poor decision, once more the referee is undermined for no good reason.

The fact it wasn't even a foul doesn't help the referee.


surprised to be honest. Thought it was a clear red


Nah, was an awful call from an awful referee and could potentially cost Brentford a place in the premier league as they were the better team before that

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Re: Rival Watch

by Simmops » 28 Jul 2020 14:17

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Hendo Red card has been rescinded for the Brentford lad.


Poor decision, once more the referee is undermined for no good reason.


If that was a foul and a red card, there would be 5 per match. Never a foil.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Hound » 28 Jul 2020 14:18

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Old Man Andrews The fact it wasn't even a foul doesn't help the referee.


surprised to be honest. Thought it was a clear red


Nah, was an awful call from an awful referee and could potentially cost Brentford a place in the premier league as they were the better team before that


its one of those - he touched the ball so its claimed to be not a foul - but if it'd been a millisecond later, it'd been a leg breaker. Hence why i'd consider it a red.

It was given as dangerous conduct is assume? Hence its always pretty subjective, so think it should have stayed with the ref

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