Rival Watch

[Millsy]

I just suggest when it looks like it's all going tits up we just prorogue proceedings.

Apparently we're allowed to do that because Berkshire is the royal county.

[From Despair To Where?]

Personally, I find Derby's "we only went into administration because of Covid" defence a load of bollocks. There's 71 other league clubs who didn't go into administration because of Covid. It just confirms their finances were already up the shitter. They were already fiddling the books to get Rooney in and that was before Covid.

If anything it's an argumemt for us to say that considering we finished 7th and we're in the playoffs for most of the season, our losses would not have been as bad as projected with potentially 20,000 turning up each week.

[Stranded]

Derby's appeal against the 12 points has been delayed - it may even be abandoned entirely. Suggests that they either have a deal with the EFL over points or new owners have decided to just get the slate clean and start fresh in L1.

[Zip]

Derby's appeal against the 12 points has been delayed - it may even be abandoned entirely. Suggests that they either have a deal with the EFL over points or new owners have decided to just get the slate clean and start fresh in L1.

It seems to me they will abandon the appeal if they can negotiate a small FFP points deduction.
I was looking at Sheff Weds losses leading to their FFP penalty. They lost about £77 million over a three year period. How much did we lose?

[Stranded]

Derby's appeal against the 12 points has been delayed - it may even be abandoned entirely. Suggests that they either have a deal with the EFL over points or new owners have decided to just get the slate clean and start fresh in L1.

It seems to me they will abandon the appeal if they can negotiate a small FFP points deduction.
I was looking at Sheff Weds losses leading to their FFP penalty. They lost about £77 million over a three year period. How much did we lose?

For FFP purposes, we just don't know at the moment - we have lost 93m over the past 3 years. Now some of that will be written off under the Covid exemptions and there will be other deductions but we are likely to have breached by 40m or so.

[Mr Angry]

There are 2 elements to the FFP penalties; the first is to punish a club that over spends well above its means to achieve success - in effect, to punish financial doping.

The second is as a deterent for other clubs to try to do the same.

If Derby only get a 3 point deduction for their breaking of the FFP rules, then a number of clubs will think the risk of over spending to achieve promotion to the wealth of the Premier League is a risk worth taking if the punishment is "only" 3 points.

Frankly, the current system is a total mess; it sets a punishment of 9 points for breaking the rules, but then allows for all sorts of mitigation for clubs to try to avoid getting hit with the penalties.

Here is an idea; make the punishment a MINIMUM 9 points, with additional points deducted for levels of overspending, trying to hide funds, not co-operating etc etc. If the club found guilty has a mitigating reason, then fine - they only get hit with the 9 points.

[Rusty royal]

The efl will not allow Derby to sink any lower as they are too big a club Also Wayne Rooney is a national hero Any other club.... efl couldn't care less

[Snowflake Royal]

Derby's appeal against the 12 points has been delayed - it may even be abandoned entirely. Suggests that they either have a deal with the EFL over points or new owners have decided to just get the slate clean and start fresh in L1.

It seems to me they will abandon the appeal if they can negotiate a small FFP points deduction.
I was looking at Sheff Weds losses leading to their FFP penalty. They lost about £77 million over a three year period. How much did we lose?

Not considering exemptions, about £100m+

Vs £39m permitted.

[Sutekh]

The efl will not allow Derby to sink any lower as they are too big a club Also Wayne Rooney is a national hero Any other club.... efl couldn't care less

Quick sack VP and sign Frank Lampard Jnr. up

[Nameless]

There are 2 elements to the FFP penalties; the first is to punish a club that over spends well above its means to achieve success - in effect, to punish financial doping.

The second is as a deterent for other clubs to try to do the same.

If Derby only get a 3 point deduction for their breaking of the FFP rules, then a number of clubs will think the risk of over spending to achieve promotion to the wealth of the Premier League is a risk worth taking if the punishment is "only" 3 points.

Frankly, the current system is a total mess; it sets a punishment of 9 points for breaking the rules, but then allows for all sorts of mitigation for clubs to try to avoid getting hit with the penalties.

Here is an idea; make the punishment a MINIMUM 9 points, with additional points deducted for levels of overspending, trying to hide funds, not co-operating etc etc. If the club found guilty has a mitigating reason, then fine - they only get hit with the 9 points.

The penalty isn’t 9 points.
The guidelines state it is 12, but there is actually no maxlimum....
The actual deduction is based on a series of factors. There is a recommended tariff of reduced deductions depending on the level of breach. There can be a reduction if the level of spending reduces over the monitoring period. Consideration is given to future projected depending. The attitude and cooperation of the club is taken into account.
In my view a minimum deduction of 9 points would betotallyunreasonablegiven the huge financial imbalance in the league due to inflated parachute payments.

[Snowflake Royal]

I think there's bugger all chance of them.factoring in other clubs having parachute payments to reduce our penalty

[Stranded]

John Percey now reporting that Derby have "reluctantly accepted" a 9 plus 3 penalty, to be announced shortly.

Imagine we will get the same.

[Zip]

John Percey now reporting that Derby have "reluctantly accepted" a 9 plus 3 penalty, to be announced shortly.

Imagine we will get the same.

Yep agreed.

[paultheroyal]

Looking at their forum they have now pretty much accepted their fate. Conversation turns into League 1 being exciting, new teams to play, winning matches steamrolling the league, doing a Norwich, Sheffield United, 3pm kick offs and EFL trophy. How times change.

[tidus_mi2]

Looking at their forum they have now pretty much accepted their fate. Conversation turns into League 1 being exciting, new teams to play, winning matches steamrolling the league, doing a Norwich, Sheffield United, 3pm kick offs and EFL trophy. How times change.

They are in for a shock.

The bigger more established teams always seem to struggle to get out of League One, they usually do but I don't feel many do it at the first time of asking.

The teams that always seem to bounce back from League One quite quickly are your Peterboroughs, Barnsleys and Rotherhams.

[Sutekh]

John Percey now reporting that Derby have "reluctantly accepted" a 9 plus 3 penalty, to be announced shortly.

Imagine we will get the same.

Yep agreed.

JLow saying 9 points + 3 suspended while Reading is still unconfirmed, could be the same or 6 points with 3 suspended.

[Brum Royal]

Looking at their forum they have now pretty much accepted their fate. Conversation turns into League 1 being exciting, new teams to play, winning matches steamrolling the league, doing a Norwich, Sheffield United, 3pm kick offs and EFL trophy. How times change.

Wasn't that the attitude when they first dropped into the Championship? Anyone for a rendition of "you're only here for the champions?"

[paultheroyal]

Looking at their forum they have now pretty much accepted their fate. Conversation turns into League 1 being exciting, new teams to play, winning matches steamrolling the league, doing a Norwich, Sheffield United, 3pm kick offs and EFL trophy. How times change.

Wasn't that the attitude when they first dropped into the Championship? Anyone for a rendition of "you're only here for the champions?"

Absolutely delighted if they fall down the leagues, the one club i absolutely despise, be very sweet this year, if we stay up!

[John Smith]

They are in for a shock.

The bigger more established teams always seem to struggle to get out of League One, they usually do but I don't feel many do it at the first time of asking.

The teams that always seem to bounce back from League One quite quickly are your Peterboroughs, Barnsleys and Rotherhams.

Exactly. Look at the state of your Ipswichs, your Sunderlands, and to a degree, your Portsmouths

[WestYorksRoyal]

Looking at their forum they have now pretty much accepted their fate. Conversation turns into League 1 being exciting, new teams to play, winning matches steamrolling the league, doing a Norwich, Sheffield United, 3pm kick offs and EFL trophy. How times change.

Wasn't that the attitude when they first dropped into the Championship? Anyone for a rendition of "you're only here for the champions?"

Absolutely delighted if they fall down the leagues, the one club i absolutely despise, be very sweet this year, if we stay up!

Seriously? Most fans have a long list of clubs the absolutely despise, but for you it's only Derby? What about Leeds? Swindon? Fulham? West Ham? QPR? Portsmouth?

There are so many detestable clubs out there; don't focus all your hatred on Derby.