MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by Stranded » 05 Jan 2022 13:55

windermereROYAL TBH at half time I said to my mate Derby didn`t have much about them and their chances of keeping up their present form over a long period were minimal, but good old Reading made them look very good in the 2nd half, but they didn`t hurt us until Southwood`s clanger, I stand by my HT statement, they are a very limited side who will go down.


But what about Derby? etc etc...

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 05 Jan 2022 14:17

I've no doubt that Derby will go down this season attributed to their points deduction. Yes, they are an average side, decent with the ball and dominated against us (as you would expect a side in confidence to do) without much about them.

Having said that, if you were to add their 21 points back on, they would sit on 32 points, more than ourselves, even if you were to add our 6 points on as well.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by Royal Rother » 05 Jan 2022 15:51

TBH I turned to my son about 5 seconds before their 1st goal and said "you realise this is going to end up 2-2, isn't it?".

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by Snowflake Royal » 05 Jan 2022 16:21

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lets be honest, they were rubbish. Barely threatened until Southwood threw one in. One of the worse sides to come here this year


I thought they were a solid side. Well organised, resilient, physically fit but lacking flair. They kept going and fully deserved the point.

Yep. Better side for most the match. Few clear cut chances until they scored, but that doesn’t make them shit. Definitely seen worse.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by Snowflake Royal » 05 Jan 2022 16:22

windermereROYAL TBH at half time I said to my mate Derby didn`t have much about them and their chances of keeping up their present form over a long period were minimal, but good old Reading made them look very good in the 2nd half, but they didn`t hurt us until Southwood`s clanger, I stand by my HT statement, they are a very limited side who will go down.

They'll go down because they've been docked 21 points, not because of how good they are.

If we'd been docked 21, not 6, we'd be practically in L1 already.


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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by Hound » 05 Jan 2022 16:27

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windermereROYAL TBH at half time I said to my mate Derby didn`t have much about them and their chances of keeping up their present form over a long period were minimal, but good old Reading made them look very good in the 2nd half, but they didn`t hurt us until Southwood`s clanger, I stand by my HT statement, they are a very limited side who will go down.

They'll go down because they've been docked 21 points, not because of how good they are.

If we'd been docked 21, not 6, we'd be practically in L1 already.


Difficult to say though absolutely. I don't think the Derby fans thought much of Rooney at all until they hit rock bottom with the points deductions. His win percentage is still only about 25% (Pauno is about 38% if Wiki is to be believed). To an extent its probably freed them up a bit, knowing that its a bit of a lost cause and the pressure is off. And fair play they've responded pretty well recently. Even with that, their points return is pretty similar to ours without deductions.

Though I suspect you're right in that we'd probably have crumbled with a 21pt deduction rather than reacted positively from it

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by Zip » 05 Jan 2022 19:32

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windermereROYAL TBH at half time I said to my mate Derby didn`t have much about them and their chances of keeping up their present form over a long period were minimal, but good old Reading made them look very good in the 2nd half, but they didn`t hurt us until Southwood`s clanger, I stand by my HT statement, they are a very limited side who will go down.

They'll go down because they've been docked 21 points, not because of how good they are.

If we'd been docked 21, not 6, we'd be practically in L1 already.


Difficult to say though absolutely. I don't think the Derby fans thought much of Rooney at all until they hit rock bottom with the points deductions. His win percentage is still only about 25% (Pauno is about 38% if Wiki is to be believed). To an extent its probably freed them up a bit, knowing that its a bit of a lost cause and the pressure is off. And fair play they've responded pretty well recently. Even with that, their points return is pretty similar to ours without deductions.

Though I suspect you're right in that we'd probably have crumbled with a 21pt deduction rather than reacted positively from it


Derby have drawn too many for a team playing catch up but all things considered just seven defeats this season is impressive given their points deduction and transfer embargo.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by bcubed » 05 Jan 2022 23:58

Royal Rother TBH I turned to my son about 5 seconds before their 1st goal and said "you realise this is going to end up 2-2, isn't it?".


Tis the Reading way :)

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by Stranded » 06 Jan 2022 09:11

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windermereROYAL TBH at half time I said to my mate Derby didn`t have much about them and their chances of keeping up their present form over a long period were minimal, but good old Reading made them look very good in the 2nd half, but they didn`t hurt us until Southwood`s clanger, I stand by my HT statement, they are a very limited side who will go down.

They'll go down because they've been docked 21 points, not because of how good they are.

If we'd been docked 21, not 6, we'd be practically in L1 already.


Difficult to say though absolutely. I don't think the Derby fans thought much of Rooney at all until they hit rock bottom with the points deductions. His win percentage is still only about 25% (Pauno is about 38% if Wiki is to be believed). To an extent its probably freed them up a bit, knowing that its a bit of a lost cause and the pressure is off. And fair play they've responded pretty well recently. Even with that, their points return is pretty similar to ours without deductions.

Though I suspect you're right in that we'd probably have crumbled with a 21pt deduction rather than reacted positively from it


Derby's biggest problem will be if they start to get close. They have no pressure on them at the moment as they are "gone" but if they say pick up another 3 or 4 wins quickly whilst those above them continue to scratch around, then they will almost be favourites to stay up and complete the great escape - that is a massive shift in pressure.


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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by Hound » 06 Jan 2022 09:16

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Snowflake Royal They'll go down because they've been docked 21 points, not because of how good they are.

If we'd been docked 21, not 6, we'd be practically in L1 already.


Difficult to say though absolutely. I don't think the Derby fans thought much of Rooney at all until they hit rock bottom with the points deductions. His win percentage is still only about 25% (Pauno is about 38% if Wiki is to be believed). To an extent its probably freed them up a bit, knowing that its a bit of a lost cause and the pressure is off. And fair play they've responded pretty well recently. Even with that, their points return is pretty similar to ours without deductions.

Though I suspect you're right in that we'd probably have crumbled with a 21pt deduction rather than reacted positively from it


Derby's biggest problem will be if they start to get close. They have no pressure on them at the moment as they are "gone" but if they say pick up another 3 or 4 wins quickly whilst those above them continue to scratch around, then they will almost be favourites to stay up and complete the great escape - that is a massive shift in pressure.


You could argue until Southwood's blunder that actually they did crumble a bit against us as soon as they got a real glimpse of a chance of safety. And we were pretty much there for the taking and they didn't complete the job

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by Zip » 06 Jan 2022 09:22

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Difficult to say though absolutely. I don't think the Derby fans thought much of Rooney at all until they hit rock bottom with the points deductions. His win percentage is still only about 25% (Pauno is about 38% if Wiki is to be believed). To an extent its probably freed them up a bit, knowing that its a bit of a lost cause and the pressure is off. And fair play they've responded pretty well recently. Even with that, their points return is pretty similar to ours without deductions.

Though I suspect you're right in that we'd probably have crumbled with a 21pt deduction rather than reacted positively from it


Derby's biggest problem will be if they start to get close. They have no pressure on them at the moment as they are "gone" but if they say pick up another 3 or 4 wins quickly whilst those above them continue to scratch around, then they will almost be favourites to stay up and complete the great escape - that is a massive shift in pressure.


You could argue until Southwood's blunder that actually they did crumble a bit against us as soon as they got a real glimpse of a chance of safety. And we were pretty much there for the taking and they didn't complete the job


Junior scored a belter and then a scratchy second. Both against the run of play. Not convinced that constitutes them crumbling. They dominated from thirty minutes onward and at times we were very much under the cosh in one of those games where an awful lot of us felt if they scored once they would do so again. At no stage did they let their heads drop because they knew they still had a chance of a result. As did their fans.

I can only reiterate that just seven League this season makes them very resilient and certainly not shit.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 06 Jan 2022 09:33

Derby didn't crumble really, although I don't doubt they'll be feeling it was an opportunity missed in the game not to beat us.

They won't stay up and I don't even think it will be close, they've actually won less games than what we have this season and they won't be getting out of trouble by drawing games.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by Stranded » 06 Jan 2022 09:44

Defensively they are excellent but they don't score enough. Was only the 5th time they have managed more than 1 in a game (5 in 25 games). In comparison we have scored at least twice in 10 of our 23.

On the flip side, we have failed to score in 7 games, Derby 8.

Big difference is clean sheets - Derby have 9 from 25, we have 3 from 23.

We are both in trouble for different reasons, we can score regularly enough but can't defend. They can defend but can't score.


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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by Hound » 06 Jan 2022 09:45

They really didn't do a lot though did they? 3 shots on target in 85 mins wasn't it? Southwood made one save in the first half I think - that was some deflected effort I'd have backed myself to save with ease.

I don't really buy too much into their great spirit etc in that game - we played poorly and gifted them a goal - they really didnt threaten before that. The fact everyone knew they'd score a second was down to our shitness and softness rather than them piling on pressure.

It wasn't like the Blackpool game when we really were roasted second half, and they could easily have scored 5 or 6

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 06 Jan 2022 10:00

Derby were far and away the better side in the second half to be fair. Threatened regularly but didn't really look like scoring, but obviously once they did they were always going to get another. If you give teams in this league an inch they will take a mile and that's happened on far too many occasions this season. I remember Derby having 4 shots on target, the 2 goals, Southwood saved from Lawrence about a minute before we went 2-0 up and obviously the deflected strike in the first half.

In terms of survival, I always believe it's the teams that score goals that end up staying up. A few seasons ago when we were battling against Rotherham towards the bottom, they'd always draw games because they were pretty solid defensively but not good enough going forward, Derby are similar really.

As much as our defensive record isn't great, it also isn't the worst in the league either and whilst we obviously should concede far less than we do, we do also score a lot of goals and look like we can as well usually. It's frustrating that it takes us 2/3 goals to win games on a lot of occasions this season, but it's also encouraging to an extent that we have the capability to do so and I take some confidence in thinking that we can go into most games and score a couple as well.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by bcubed » 06 Jan 2022 10:16

Stranded Defensively they are excellent but they don't score enough. Was only the 5th time they have managed more than 1 in a game (5 in 25 games). In comparison we have scored at least twice in 10 of our 23.

On the flip side, we have failed to score in 7 games, Derby 8.

Big difference is clean sheets - Derby have 9 from 25, we have 3 from 23.

We are both in trouble for different reasons, we can score regularly enough but can't defend. They can defend but can't score.


Perhaps a merger is the answer

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by Stranded » 06 Jan 2022 11:43

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Stranded Defensively they are excellent but they don't score enough. Was only the 5th time they have managed more than 1 in a game (5 in 25 games). In comparison we have scored at least twice in 10 of our 23.

On the flip side, we have failed to score in 7 games, Derby 8.

Big difference is clean sheets - Derby have 9 from 25, we have 3 from 23.

We are both in trouble for different reasons, we can score regularly enough but can't defend. They can defend but can't score.


Perhaps a merger is the answer


Thames Valley Rams?

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by bcubed » 06 Jan 2022 12:00

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Stranded Defensively they are excellent but they don't score enough. Was only the 5th time they have managed more than 1 in a game (5 in 25 games). In comparison we have scored at least twice in 10 of our 23.

On the flip side, we have failed to score in 7 games, Derby 8.

Big difference is clean sheets - Derby have 9 from 25, we have 3 from 23.

We are both in trouble for different reasons, we can score regularly enough but can't defend. They can defend but can't score.


Perhaps a merger is the answer


Thames Valley Rams?


Can’t see anything wrong with that

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by Coppells Lost Coat » 06 Jan 2022 12:43

I do think we controlled the game until their first goal. Even though the 2nd half in possession we were woeful, they didn't really trouble us until the error, except one decent attempt which was well saved. Derby were not that good, just did the basics to keep in the game by throwing everything at us and a few professional fouls.
VP subs were at a good time and positive. I feel his game management lacks depth and imagination. As other posters have said, he sets the team up well but become to slow to react when on the back foot.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Derby County (h)

by Zip » 06 Jan 2022 12:53

What disappointed me so much was how easy Derby found it to get the ball out wide deep into our half in the second half. We sat so deep inviting the pressure.

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