Can we all just try to enjoy this please?

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Re: Can we all just try to enjoy this please?

by URZZZZ » 24 Feb 2022 15:46

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YorkshireRoyal99 A lot of people who support other clubs around me were saying it was our last chance saloon to reach the PL before FFP really kicked in and it proved true. It was something I knew myself, but I didn't think too much about it because we were always in the play offs and, even when we dropped out, I always believed we would pick up with results again but it never happened.

I don't doubt a lack of squad depth alongside a lack of reinforcements both in the summer and January didn't help our cause, especially when you consider the players Barnsley managed to bring in in January as well for example.


Don’t particularly agree with the squad depth point. A lot of teams had the same problem last season and coped better than us. Swansea, in particular had very little in depth and didn’t implode to the same degree that we did

Regardless, Esteves, Semedo, Puscas, Aluko and co were plenty enough given the situation and more capable than some of Barnsley’s first team. Do think it boiled down to mismanagement and the players’ confidence being stuck at rock bottom


It depends if you can keep your squad fit, a small squad succeeds providing you keep them out of the treatment room and that wasn't always the case with us, although I can't speak for other teams.

It's not an excuse making exercise as such, it's just the reality of the situation. Aluko is a poor option, Baldock was also a poor squad option, Puscas wasn't fancied by Pauno etc. I don't doubt we should have done better with the individuals we had, I just think Pauno would have been better placed if we could have had some sort of flexibility within the market. He probably would have got rid of those he may not have wanted and brought in others, but a transfer embargo alongside a Covid pandemic probably made that far more difficult, maybe even impossible, than what it would have been otherwise.

Just to place on record though, I do agree that mismanagement and players confidence played a major factor in our collapse, but I think it does run a little bit deeper than that. Factors, such as flexibility in the transfer market, could have affected our second half of the season performance and may have arrested the slide, we just couldn't build any momentum.


I don’t particularly think they were bad options, limited to an extent but also condemned because we paid over the odds (the clubs fault, not the players)

I do agree it would have been nice to have more options (particularly that pacey winger :wink: and striker more in the mould of Joao) but you have to play with what you have and quite simply we didn’t - just ended up doing the same thing game after game at the end to no avail

Will never forget the Cardiff (H) game which was a must win where we’d played abysmally for 90 minutes yet we made a triple sub past added time - simply miles too late

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Re: Can we all just try to enjoy this please?

by URZZZZ » 24 Feb 2022 15:47

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I blame Houndy for going to that game 8)
I watched at home and was fuming. Brum were in complete control but we should have won....Joao missed pen and we were up against ten men. To make it worse I think both Yaks and Joao picked up injuries that night.

You have a lot to answer for Mr Hound.


ah was thinking of the away game, but yes equally terrible in the home one


The home game was an abomination.


Think they were the worst two performances of the season - with the exceptions of Cardiff and Luton. Didn’t think Wycombe was as bad as people made out

On both occasions against Birmingham, Paunovic made two subs one minute after the other, wasting sub windows. Was a shambles all round

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Re: Can we all just try to enjoy this please?

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 24 Feb 2022 16:13

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Don’t particularly agree with the squad depth point. A lot of teams had the same problem last season and coped better than us. Swansea, in particular had very little in depth and didn’t implode to the same degree that we did

Regardless, Esteves, Semedo, Puscas, Aluko and co were plenty enough given the situation and more capable than some of Barnsley’s first team. Do think it boiled down to mismanagement and the players’ confidence being stuck at rock bottom


It depends if you can keep your squad fit, a small squad succeeds providing you keep them out of the treatment room and that wasn't always the case with us, although I can't speak for other teams.

It's not an excuse making exercise as such, it's just the reality of the situation. Aluko is a poor option, Baldock was also a poor squad option, Puscas wasn't fancied by Pauno etc. I don't doubt we should have done better with the individuals we had, I just think Pauno would have been better placed if we could have had some sort of flexibility within the market. He probably would have got rid of those he may not have wanted and brought in others, but a transfer embargo alongside a Covid pandemic probably made that far more difficult, maybe even impossible, than what it would have been otherwise.

Just to place on record though, I do agree that mismanagement and players confidence played a major factor in our collapse, but I think it does run a little bit deeper than that. Factors, such as flexibility in the transfer market, could have affected our second half of the season performance and may have arrested the slide, we just couldn't build any momentum.


I don’t particularly think they were bad options, limited to an extent but also condemned because we paid over the odds (the clubs fault, not the players)

I do agree it would have been nice to have more options (particularly that pacey winger :wink: and striker more in the mould of Joao) but you have to play with what you have and quite simply we didn’t - just ended up doing the same thing game after game at the end to no avail

Will never forget the Cardiff (H) game which was a must win where we’d played abysmally for 90 minutes yet we made a triple sub past added time - simply miles too late


I think they were League One quality players playing in the Championship, similar to when we had a mass amount of wingers years ago but most were probably only League One level really, or bottom of the Championship.

That was the problem really, we ended up working with what we had, which could have been utilised better in some circumstances but were also a hinderance in other circumstances as the players either weren't that good, weren't suited to Pauno's system or both.

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Re: Can we all just try to enjoy this please?

by skipper » 24 Feb 2022 16:17

YorkshireRoyal99 A lot of people who support other clubs around me were saying it was our last chance saloon to reach the PL before FFP really kicked in and it proved true. It was something I knew myself, but I didn't think too much about it because we were always in the play offs and, even when we dropped out, I always believed we would pick up with results again but it never happened.

I don't doubt a lack of squad depth alongside a lack of reinforcements both in the summer and January didn't help our cause, especially when you consider the players Barnsley managed to bring in in January as well for example.


Do Barnsley still have those players?? As their 2nd season is, obviously, the worst in the league.

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Re: Can we all just try to enjoy this please?

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 24 Feb 2022 16:41

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YorkshireRoyal99 A lot of people who support other clubs around me were saying it was our last chance saloon to reach the PL before FFP really kicked in and it proved true. It was something I knew myself, but I didn't think too much about it because we were always in the play offs and, even when we dropped out, I always believed we would pick up with results again but it never happened.

I don't doubt a lack of squad depth alongside a lack of reinforcements both in the summer and January didn't help our cause, especially when you consider the players Barnsley managed to bring in in January as well for example.


Do Barnsley still have those players?? As their 2nd season is, obviously, the worst in the league.


They will still have a proportion of them no doubt, but they've obviously lost influential one's as well, such as Dyke and Mowatt for instance, who were imperative to how they play, as well as obviously the manager moved on who was a major influence over their success.


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Re: Can we all just try to enjoy this please?

by mumbo-jumbo » 19 Apr 2022 09:05

There you go guys .. didn't I tell you it would be fun :D

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Re: Can we all just try to enjoy this please?

by AthleticoSpizz » 19 Apr 2022 11:50

Same time, same place next year Mumbo? :D

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Re: Can we all just try to enjoy this please?

by LUX » 19 Apr 2022 13:25

I'm at a loss, with "nothing to stress me".

So I found out that Huddersfield are going to rest players against Barnsley.

Now I can worry.

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Re: Can we all just try to enjoy this please?

by Franchise FC » 19 Apr 2022 15:22

LUX I'm at a loss, with "nothing to stress me".

So I found out that Huddersfield are going to rest players against Barnsley.

Now I can worry.

They still have a fighting chance of automatic, don’t they ?


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Re: Can we all just try to enjoy this please?

by LUX » 19 Apr 2022 16:27

slim chance, yes. Ditto of not making the play-offs if they drop too many points.

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Re: Can we all just try to enjoy this please?

by Sutekh » 19 Apr 2022 23:11

LUX I'm at a loss, with "nothing to stress me".

So I found out that Huddersfield are going to rest players against Barnsley.

Now I can worry.


Huddersfield will end up playing a weaker side than expected against Barnsley but because they currently have 8 players injured; Rolando Aarons (knee), Levi Colwill (hip), Matty Pearson (knee), Ryan Schofield (shoulder), Sorba Thomas (knee), Alex Vallejo (knee), Danny Ward (hamstring) and Tino Anjorin (broken foot) rather than just resting players.

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Re: Can we all just try to enjoy this please?

by LUX » 20 Apr 2022 09:13

see, told you.

Now I can worry.

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Re: Can we all just try to enjoy this please?

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 20 Apr 2022 09:23

They still need points though to finish in the play off places, it's not as if their season is done and they will want to build as much momentum as possible for when the play offs eventually come along.

Even if Barnsley were to turn Huddersfield over on Friday, I can't see them beating both Blackpool and Preston at home in their following games.


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