Changes In Football thread

[stealthpapes]

I wouldn't actually have a problem with the Welsh clubs being in the Welsh FA Cup so long as they rescinded their spots in the FA Cup itself. I think the plans replace the Welsh cup, I've not checked today, but if I iirc correctly the expansion plan involves changing the league structure as well.

There's already mixing within the leagues - English clubs play in the Welsh leagues, welsh clubs in the English leagues (iirc, the non-league sides follow Welsh FA disciplinary rules).

Welsh Cup has been a wild ride.

There have been 10 English winners, the most recent in 1985, and Hednesford Town (deepest darkest Staffordshire ... ) made the final in teh early 90s. There's a big bit in Stourbridge club house about their mid-70s run to the cup final.

[stealthpapes]

Wasn't there a pan-GB cup recently?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%8 ... llenge_Cup

Yes.

[Winston Biscuit]

All 72 National League clubs have written to the EFL Board demanding the introduction of three promotion and relegation spots between the two leagues from next season.

would love to see that. would also improve the standard of L2 IMO as the top few in the National League are always a pretty decent standard these days. Not sure turkeys are going to vote for Christmas though.

[Sutekh]

All 72 National League clubs have written to the EFL Board demanding the introduction of three promotion and relegation spots between the two leagues from next season.

would love to see that. would also improve the standard of L2 IMO as the top few in the National League are always a pretty decent standard these days. Not sure turkeys are going to vote for Christmas though.

Would love to see 3 up and 3 down between the FL and NL, make it a bit easier for relegated clubs to come back quicker too.

Think the NL need to get their a together a bit though as they have no FFP or ownership controls and I think the FL might like to see at least some basic movement made in that direction before agreeing.

[Winston Biscuit]

Rule change from next season - goalkeeper can hold on to the ball for 8 seconds and if they exceed that a corner kick to the opposing team will be given.

Current rule is 6 seconds with a free kick given to the opposing team, but it's rarely enforced.

[Sutekh]

Rule change from next season - goalkeeper can hold on to the ball for 8 seconds and if they exceed that a corner kick to the opposing team will be given.

Current rule is 6 seconds with a free kick given to the opposing team, but it's rarely enforced.

So if refs are incapable of counting to 6, what makes the FA think they can make it to 8?

[Winston Biscuit]

Rule change from next season - goalkeeper can hold on to the ball for 8 seconds and if they exceed that a corner kick to the opposing team will be given.

Current rule is 6 seconds with a free kick given to the opposing team, but it's rarely enforced.

So if refs are incapable of counting to 6, what makes the FA think they can make it to 8?

I assume this announcement means it's going to be strictly enforced from next season, rather than now where no one really enforces it.

Also the refs are being told that the final 5 seconds needs to be 'visually counted on their fingers', which i assume means they hold their hand in their air and count it down so everyone can see how much more is the ref going to have to do?! It's quite ridiculous. What happens when he starts counting then something happens which he has to deal with? More reason for fans to be faux angry

How many games into next season until we first see a goal scored from a corner awarded after 8 seconds is deemed to have been exceeded, only for one of Carragher or Neville to then show it with a timer, prove it was only 7.8 seconds, then label the ref 'an absolute disgrace' and pile into him?

[Sutekh]

Rule change from next season - goalkeeper can hold on to the ball for 8 seconds and if they exceed that a corner kick to the opposing team will be given.

Current rule is 6 seconds with a free kick given to the opposing team, but it's rarely enforced.

So if refs are incapable of counting to 6, what makes the FA think they can make it to 8?

I assume this announcement means it's going to be strictly enforced from next season, rather than now where no one really enforces it.

Also the refs are being told that the final 5 seconds needs to be 'visually counted on their fingers', which i assume means they hold their hand in their air and count it down so everyone can see how much more is the ref going to have to do?! It's quite ridiculous. What happens when he starts counting then something happens which he has to deal with? More reason for fans to be faux angry

How many games into next season until we first see a goal scored from a corner awarded after 8 seconds is deemed to have been exceeded, only for one of Carragher or Neville to then show it with a timer, prove it was only 7.8 seconds, then label the ref 'an absolute disgrace' and pile into him?

Looking forward to VAR getting involved each time to make a thorough pig’s ear of it all.

Also, given there’s already a law covering it, wtf are these idiots doing rewriting it rather than just telling officials to enforce the existing law?

[stealthpapes]

I can actually see the logic of it - slightly longer time, slightly less threatening penalty, so a chance to better enforce it.

Given the current law/interpretation isn't working, this feels like a reasonable tweek.

[Sutekh]

I can actually see the logic of it - slightly longer time, slightly less threatening penalty, so a chance to better enforce it.

Given the current law/interpretation isn't working, this feels like a reasonable tweek.

It’s not working because of the state of officialling in this country is so awful. This is an issue with referees not the original law which was perfectly clear and perfectly enforceable. Wonder what the next change will be because refs aren’t doing their jobs properly.

And is this FIFA wide or do we now have a different law operating in England than we do everywhere else?

[stealthpapes]

Right. But its clearly not being enforced. So look at the potential reasons why. Time too short. Freekick perceived as too threatening.

And is this FIFA wide or do we now have a different law operating in England than we do everywhere else?

This happens fairly often, right? Different tournaments/leagues give the match officials different steers and interpretations.
(Off top of head, tackles from behind were treated much more seriously in Europe than in home leagues for a solid chunk of the mid90s, same laws in place).

[Dirk Gently]

Rule change from next season - goalkeeper can hold on to the ball for 8 seconds and if they exceed that a corner kick to the opposing team will be given.

Current rule is 6 seconds with a free kick given to the opposing team, but it's rarely enforced.

So if refs are incapable of counting to 6, what makes the FA think they can make it to 8?

I think the problem (and the reason refs turn a strategic blind eye to this) is that an indirect free kick in the box is always an absolute nightmare to control and administer and one they try to avoid at all costs.

So giving a corner instead seems to be a much better idea to me.

[Hendo]

Fad. It'll be enforced for the first couple of months of the season and will then die a death.

[Silver Fox]

Right. But its clearly not being enforced. So look at the potential reasons why. Time too short. Freekick perceived as too threatening.

And is this FIFA wide or do we now have a different law operating in England than we do everywhere else?

This happens fairly often, right? Different tournaments/leagues give the match officials different steers and interpretations.
(Off top of head, tackles from behind were treated much more seriously in Europe than in home leagues for a solid chunk of the mid90s, same laws in place).

Oh you can’t put your foot up in Europe
You can’t show your studs on the ‘nent
They take a dim view of a slightly raised shoe
So think on if you’re up against Ghent, my lad
Think on if you’re up against Ghent

[Winston Biscuit]

Right. But its clearly not being enforced. So look at the potential reasons why. Time too short. Freekick perceived as too threatening.

And is this FIFA wide or do we now have a different law operating in England than we do everywhere else?

This happens fairly often, right? Different tournaments/leagues give the match officials different steers and interpretations.
(Off top of head, tackles from behind were treated much more seriously in Europe than in home leagues for a solid chunk of the mid90s, same laws in place).

Oh you can’t put your foot up in Europe
You can’t show your studs on the ‘nent
They take a dim view of a slightly raised shoe
So think on if you’re up against Ghent, my lad
Think on if you’re up against Ghent

my favourite difference is the blasphemy law used in Italian football. You can get banned for numbers of games if you use the lords name incorrectly

[Whore Jackie]

FIFA are continuing trials of a new approach to offside, whereby an attacking player is onside if any part of their torso is in line with a defending player. Currently a player is offside if any body part that can legally score a goal is in advance of a defender.

Moving the line back, to where the player’s torso is in line, is gaining favour among lawmakers, with the rationale that not only would it be a more balanced cut off point, but that the torso is easier to capture using tracking software, potentially allowing for quicker decisions.

This seems a much more sensible approach, so no doubt it will be binned off.

[Sanguine]

FIFA are continuing trials of a new approach to offside, whereby an attacking player is onside if any part of their torso is in line with a defending player. Currently a player is offside if any body part that can legally score a goal is in advance of a defender.

Moving the line back, to where the player’s torso is in line, is gaining favour among lawmakers, with the rationale that not only would it be a more balanced cut off point, but that the torso is easier to capture using tracking software, potentially allowing for quicker decisions.

This seems a much more sensible approach, so no doubt it will be binned off.

Seems sensible to me - torso is where the body is 'at', anything else is a stretch or a reach from there. We shouldn't be calling offside using VAR by someone's boot.

[Dirk Gently]

'Greed.

Although the logical argument is "if you can score a goal with it then it ought to count for offside" (i.e. head or feed but not hands) it's much more pragmatic and consistent to go for the torso.

In the same way that in athletics, it doesn't matter if your hand or foot crosses the line ahead of someone else, it's the torso that counts for first place.

[stealthpapes]

From Guardian today, final table oddities.

Yugoslav First League 1988-89: Drawn games were decided by a penalty competition for a few seasons: two points for a win, one for a win on penalties, nothing if you lost on penalties. Championship decided by one team converting 6 draws into 5 penalty wins and the second place converting 7 draws into 2.

Ekstraklasa (Poland) 1986-87: In the Polish top flight in the second half of the 1980s, teams got an extra point if they won by three or more goals and were deducted a point if they lost by the same margin. League table has 5 columns for the various final 'scores'.

From 1978 to 1988, Soviet Top League teams were penalised for drawing too many games and a draw limit was introduced. In 1978 and 1979, points were deducted after the draw limit was ‘breached’. A ninth draw would mean one point deducted, a 10th draw would mean two points deducted and so on. From 1980 to 1988, the limit was set on a maximum of 10 draws.

In 1986, however, Dynamo Kyiv and Dnepr Dnepropetrovsk were excused from this rule because they had delegated two or more players to the Soviet Union national team. Without this second rule, Dynamo Kyiv and Dynamo Moscow would have finished level on both points and goal difference. Instead, Kyiv lifted the trophy.

[6ft Kerplunk]

We shouldn't be calling offside using VAR by someone's boot.

I mean, its called football...