isn't "REAL intel" and "IF true" a contradiction in terms?MmmMonsterMunch wrote:Oooooooh I have some real intel. Could be very exciting if true!!!
isn't "REAL intel" and "IF true" a contradiction in terms?MmmMonsterMunch wrote:Oooooooh I have some real intel. Could be very exciting if true!!!
by MmmMonsterMunch » 31 Jan 2013 16:06
31 Jan 2013 16:06Ha ha yes you got me.Snowball wrote:isn't "REAL intel" and "IF true" a contradiction in terms?MmmMonsterMunch wrote:Oooooooh I have some real intel. Could be very exciting if true!!!
Reluctantly, +1.Big Ern wrote:This..howser wrote:With the utmost respect to who we have signed, Is this going to be a window that has regularly seen us within touching distance of "stella" players but will again fall into the "we tried to do some business but in the end this wasn't possible" ???
If we do go down now, it will be the same mistakes as last time in the Prem and the board should take all the blame.
by ManchesterRoyals » 31 Jan 2013 16:08
31 Jan 2013 16:08cmonurz wrote:Reluctantly, +1.Big Ern wrote:This..howser wrote:With the utmost respect to who we have signed, Is this going to be a window that has regularly seen us within touching distance of "stella" players but will again fall into the "we tried to do some business but in the end this wasn't possible" ???
If we do go down now, it will be the same mistakes as last time in the Prem and the board should take all the blame.
There has to come a point where you look at your approach and question whether it’s that that is wrong, and not simply that things haven’t quite ‘fallen into place’ at transfer time. A comment Ern made earlier hit the nail on the head – despite affluent owners, the sale of a number of players for high fees over the last few years, and three years spent in the Premier League (and the parachute payments that entitles us to), we really do seem to be the only club involved in this league for whom only financial armageddon awaits if we spend a few million on a single player.
It remains to be seen who we actually tried to sign in this window, and the reasons why we didn’t – I guess we’ll never know. But when you’re a team with a bit of money behind you (apparently) and fighting relegation, it’s demoralising, and confusing, to hear that we’ve dropped out of an apparently developed deal for Ince, haven’t bothered with Curtis Davies, or Danny Graham, or that African midfielder we were after in the summer, or didn’t want to pay an extra million for Zaha, or Rhodes, or won’t pay one of our best players an extra £5k a week, and so on and so on.
Three seasons in the Premier League, and our record signing remains Emerse Fae. Of course there are bargains to be had – Akpan and Le Fondre showed that last night – but equally to succeed at this level you have to bring in proven quality players, improve the team in key positions, build your team around that nucleus and let younger, less experienced players flourish.
If we want to establish ourselves as a Premier League side, we will absolutely have to take a (calculated) risk at some point, whether that is when we come up, or to improve the squad in the January transfer window. That we are, it seems, about to reach the end of our 6th transfer window as a Premier League side without making a major investment in that side, is as disappointing as it is totally bizarre.

The Prisoner wrote:ITK signing
It is frustrating waiting to see if something will happen, but coming out and saying we've got money is a bit foolish. It'll just drive the price up of any players we might interested in signing.ManchesterRoyals wrote:Why dont they come out and say if theres money or not
One min there is then theres not
As I said above, don't you ever wonder why we can never, ever, find that deal that is 'right for us'?Esteban wrote:but I reckon that we would pay out a fee of several millions, if we felt the player and deal was right for us.
Well that's the way it happens here, and the quicker you make peace with that, the easier it'll be. This business is run as a business, and not as a rich man's play thing. RFC works hard and earns it's purchases which are relevant to the level of the club, and i'm proud of that. What's happening at QPR is truly embarrassing. Long may fiscal prudence reign supreme.cmonurz wrote:Reluctantly, +1.Big Ern wrote:This..howser wrote:With the utmost respect to who we have signed, Is this going to be a window that has regularly seen us within touching distance of "stella" players but will again fall into the "we tried to do some business but in the end this wasn't possible" ???
If we do go down now, it will be the same mistakes as last time in the Prem and the board should take all the blame.
There has to come a point where you look at your approach and question whether it’s that that is wrong, and not simply that things haven’t quite ‘fallen into place’ at transfer time. A comment Ern made earlier hit the nail on the head – despite affluent owners, the sale of a number of players for high fees over the last few years, and three years spent in the Premier League (and the parachute payments that entitles us to), we really do seem to be the only club involved in this league for whom only financial armageddon awaits if we spend a few million on a single player.
It remains to be seen who we actually tried to sign in this window, and the reasons why we didn’t – I guess we’ll never know. But when you’re a team with a bit of money behind you (apparently) and fighting relegation, it’s demoralising, and confusing, to hear that we’ve dropped out of an apparently developed deal for Ince, haven’t bothered with Curtis Davies, or Danny Graham, or that African midfielder we were after in the summer, or didn’t want to pay an extra million for Zaha, or Rhodes, or won’t pay one of our best players an extra £5k a week, and so on and so on.
Three seasons in the Premier League, and our record signing remains Emerse Fae. Of course there are bargains to be had – Akpan and Le Fondre showed that last night – but equally to succeed at this level you have to bring in proven quality players, improve the team in key positions, build your team around that nucleus and let younger, less experienced players flourish.
If we want to establish ourselves as a Premier League side, we will absolutely have to take a (calculated) risk at some point, whether that is when we come up, or to improve the squad in the January transfer window. That we are, it seems, about to reach the end of our 6th transfer window as a Premier League side without making a major investment in that side, is as disappointing as it is totally bizarre.
Sums it up perfectly. Despite the pats on the back for unearthing a few gems, a damning but true summary on the clubs policies. Maybe it will work, for the odd season maybe, but we simply cannot sustain ourself at the top table of English football by doing this.cmonurz wrote: That we are, it seems, about to reach the end of our 6th transfer window as a Premier League side without making a major investment in that side, is as disappointing as it is totally bizarre.
Because it's difficult to buy proven players for transfer fees and wages which we're willing to fund, and the club are generally unwilling to spend several million on players that are gambles.cmonurz wrote:As I said above, don't you ever wonder why we can never, ever, find that deal that is 'right for us'?Esteban wrote:but I reckon that we would pay out a fee of several millions, if we felt the player and deal was right for us.
They just went to Everton on SSN and said for unknown reasons that Aiden McGeady to Everton has fallen throughWest_Reading wrote:It's Aiden McGeady. You heard it here first. Anton's pulled a few strings out in Russia.
Yes, I do. And I also think that is because we are not willing to throw a couple of million more at the deal to make it happen. However, if the club don't think that's the right thing to do, then who am I to question it? I don't know how to run a football club. I run a business that's holding its own and that is hard enough. I only have to keep myself and the few staff I have happy, trying to keep 30k fans happy on top of that, who will all have different opinions and little or no knowledge of financials, must be a nightmare.cmonurz wrote:As I said above, don't you ever wonder why we can never, ever, find that deal that is 'right for us'?Esteban wrote:but I reckon that we would pay out a fee of several millions, if we felt the player and deal was right for us.
by Pepe the Horseman » 31 Jan 2013 16:33
31 Jan 2013 16:33Nice humble bragEsteban wrote:Yes, I do. And I also think that is because we are not willing to throw a couple of million more at the deal to make it happen. However, if the club don't think that's the right thing to do, then who am I to question it? I don't know how to run a football club. I run a business that's holding its own and that is hard enough. I only have to keep myself and the few staff I have happy, trying to keep 30k fans happy on top of that, who will all have different opinions and little or no knowledge of financials, must be a nightmare.cmonurz wrote:As I said above, don't you ever wonder why we can never, ever, find that deal that is 'right for us'?Esteban wrote:but I reckon that we would pay out a fee of several millions, if we felt the player and deal was right for us.
I don't want to be an apologist for the club, as I've said, I'll be a little disappointed if we end today without one more player in that I think we need. But, trying to be objective about it, there's more going on behind the scenes than almost all of us know about and given how far we've come in a relatively short space of time gives me reason to trust those in charge.
I think I'm in the minority with that way of thinking though, so what do I know?!
by Blakey's Right Peg » 31 Jan 2013 16:33
31 Jan 2013 16:33I thought it was Wigan?madreadingfan wrote:They just went to Everton on SSN and said for unknown reasons that Aiden McGeady to Everton has fallen throughWest_Reading wrote:It's Aiden McGeady. You heard it here first. Anton's pulled a few strings out in Russia.
by MmmMonsterMunch » 31 Jan 2013 16:34
31 Jan 2013 16:34by paulholsgrove83 » 31 Jan 2013 16:35
31 Jan 2013 16:35You eventually found the gold then and funded the start of your own business?Esteban wrote:Yes, I do. And I also think that is because we are not willing to throw a couple of million more at the deal to make it happen. However, if the club don't think that's the right thing to do, then who am I to question it? I don't know how to run a football club. I run a business that's holding its own and that is hard enough. I only have to keep myself and the few staff I have happy, trying to keep 30k fans happy on top of that, who will all have different opinions and little or no knowledge of financials, must be a nightmare.cmonurz wrote:As I said above, don't you ever wonder why we can never, ever, find that deal that is 'right for us'?Esteban wrote:but I reckon that we would pay out a fee of several millions, if we felt the player and deal was right for us.
I don't want to be an apologist for the club, as I've said, I'll be a little disappointed if we end today without one more player in that I think we need. But, trying to be objective about it, there's more going on behind the scenes than almost all of us know about and given how far we've come in a relatively short space of time gives me reason to trust those in charge.
I think I'm in the minority with that way of thinking though, so what do I know?!
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