BFTG - Swansea

[muirinho]

doubt very much that weve recouped our academy investments with all the money we have received for academy players weve sold.
id imagine its pretty close even if we include money saved by not having to buy players.

that would be the first to go if it was my business

got any figures for that?

Cat 1 academies cost about £2.5mill a year to run - and the Premier League contributes £775,000 of that
(see http://www.fsf.org.uk/latest-news/view/ ... nt-matters)

So Tshibola on his own has paid for the academy for the 2 1/2 years since he was sold.

[Hoop Blah]

Just this season alone we've seen 50 appearances from Academy players. That's probably saved us at least 3 signings and associated higher wages.

I'm pretty sure the academy has more than paid for itself over the last 10 years or so.

[John Smith]

Just this season alone we've seen 50 appearances from Academy players. That's probably saved us at least 3 signings and associated higher wages.

I'm pretty sure the academy has more than paid for itself over the last 10 years or so.

But where has it got us in the league?

[Denver Royal]

Just this season alone we've seen 50 appearances from Academy players. That's probably saved us at least 3 signings and associated higher wages.
I'm pretty sure the academy has more than paid for itself over the last 10 years or so.

But where has it got us in the league?

Heh, maybe we'd be bottom without our grads
(JS, anyone you fancy in the window? You usually come up with a few. Head over to Rumours.)

[Snowflake Royal]

the idea that we just accept relegation is insane.
the club may not survive such an event, financially

Bollocks. When did the last club our size go out of business?

At absolute worst we might find ourselves in the conference briefly having had an administration or two.

And there's no point not accepting it because it'll probably be bad if it's inevitable. That will only make it worse because we've ignored the potential to use it to get our house in order and prepare.

[Hendo]

the idea that we just accept relegation is insane.
the club may not survive such an event, financially

Bollocks. When did the last club our size go out of business?

At absolute worst we might find ourselves in the conference briefly having had an administration or two.

And there's no point not accepting it because it'll probably be bad if it's inevitable. That will only make it worse because we've ignored the potential to use it to get our house in order and prepare.

Wimbledon would be the only one which springs immediately to mind, but I don't know whether the two clubs are comparable.

[Hoop Blah]

Just this season alone we've seen 50 appearances from Academy players. That's probably saved us at least 3 signings and associated higher wages.

I'm pretty sure the academy has more than paid for itself over the last 10 years or so.

But where has it got us in the league?

The last 10 years or so has been the most successful period in the clubs history and we've been pretty consistent in playing lads who've come through at one time or another, so I'd say it's served us well.

What's probably let us down more is the quality of the players we've bought in around them.

[Denver Royal]

Just this season alone we've seen 50 appearances from Academy players. That's probably saved us at least 3 signings and associated higher wages.

I'm pretty sure the academy has more than paid for itself over the last 10 years or so.

But where has it got us in the league?

The last 10 years or so has been the most successful period in the clubs history

You'd never know it, it's the worst time ever, etc

[Hound]

Does seem to be some sort of suggestion relegation = administration

I really don’t think it’s the case for us at all

[Snowflake Royal]

the idea that we just accept relegation is insane.
the club may not survive such an event, financially

Bollocks. When did the last club our size go out of business?

At absolute worst we might find ourselves in the conference briefly having had an administration or two.

And there's no point not accepting it because it'll probably be bad if it's inevitable. That will only make it worse because we've ignored the potential to use it to get our house in order and prepare.

Wimbledon would be the only one which springs immediately to mind, but I don't know whether the two clubs are comparable.

I would say not. Wimbledon didn't have a ground and were a league club for less than 30 years.

[Singing Defective]

Bollocks. When did the last club our size go out of business?

At absolute worst we might find ourselves in the conference briefly having had an administration or two.

And there's no point not accepting it because it'll probably be bad if it's inevitable. That will only make it worse because we've ignored the potential to use it to get our house in order and prepare.

Wimbledon would be the only one which springs immediately to mind, but I don't know whether the two clubs are comparable.

I would say not. Wimbledon didn't have a ground and were a league club for less than 30 years.

I sincerely hope I don’t have to go through that again. I grew up and went to school near Wimbledon, and watched the Dons in the 80’s/90’s (and feared Millwall with my young life). MK Dons just oxford off.

[Old Man Andrews]

We wouldn't go into administration. We haven't oxf*rd a load of money in recent times and we haven't paid silly wages out either. We are actually in a fairly decent position should we go down to League 1. We have assets we can sell and a strong set of youth players who can come in to the first team.

[Snowflake Royal]

But where has it got us in the league?

The last 10 years or so has been the most successful period in the clubs history

You'd never know it, it's the worst time ever, etc

TO be fair, the last four to six years has easily been the worst any supporter under about 30 would have experienced IMO... yes we were League One equivalent in the 90s and early 00s we only finished below mid-table just once and that was only 15th. I agree with Hoop's sentiment - but our glory days were over by about 2014.

[Snowflake Royal]

We wouldn't go into administration. We haven't oxf*rd a load of money in recent times and we haven't paid silly wages out either. We are actually in a fairly decent position should we go down to League 1. We have assets we can sell and a strong set of youth players who can come in to the first team.

Have you seen our accounts?

We were paying something like 130% of our turnover just in wages only a couple of years ago. And then we signed Aluko for a reported £7m. We were Thai investment away from going into administration only a three or four years ago.

[Denver Royal]

We wouldn't go into administration. We haven't oxf*rd a load of money in recent times and we haven't paid silly wages out either. We are actually in a fairly decent position should we go down to League 1. We have assets we can sell and a strong set of youth players who can come in to the first team.

Have you seen our accounts?

We were paying something like 130% of our turnover just in wages only a couple of years ago. And then we signed Aluko for a reported £7m. We were Thai investment away from going into administration only a three or four years ago.

Not sure it was 7mil, but mistakes have been made, no doubt.

Still, can't help thinking we wouldn't be where we are if we'd had a Warnock, or a Dyche, in here the last few years. Good managers can navigate past previous club mistakes.

[Zip]

Just changing the subject slightly I had a bit of a mare yesterday. When I got back to Mereoak Park after the game I discovered my car fob was missing. I had no choice but to ring Mrs Zip and ask her to make the 140 mike round trip with my spare fob so that I could drive home.

Suffice to say Mrs Zip was not best pleased with me and after a difficult convo reluctantly agreed to pick us up. So after ninety minutes in the luxurious surroundings of the carpark Mrs Z duly arrived.
This morning I was in the process of sorting out changing my locks as I hadn’t ruled out my keys being nicked but rung the club more out of hope than anything else to see if the fob had been found. When I explained what was on my fob, ie an important photo of my late mum, front door key and the fob itself they confirmed it had been found and are posting it out to me.

Not the best of starts to 2019 but thanks to the club for sorting me out and of course the long suffering but stunningly beautiful Mrs Zip.

[Old Man Andrews]

We wouldn't go into administration. We haven't oxf*rd a load of money in recent times and we haven't paid silly wages out either. We are actually in a fairly decent position should we go down to League 1. We have assets we can sell and a strong set of youth players who can come in to the first team.

Have you seen our accounts?

We were paying something like 130% of our turnover just in wages only a couple of years ago. And then we signed Aluko for a reported £7m. We were Thai investment away from going into administration only a three or four years ago.

We have tightened our belts in recent years as you know full well, again you disagree for the sake of it. We are nowhere near in as bad a position as Sunderland, Portsmouth or Coventry who all have slipped out of the Championship in recent years.

And Aluko wasn't a straight £7million as I suspect again you know but wanted to mention in order to reinforce your point. Our owners aren't poor people, they won't just accept administration as a given I wouldn't have thought.

[Snowflake Royal]

Just changing the subject slightly I had a bit of a mare yesterday. When I got back to Mereoak Park after the game I discovered my car fob was missing. I had no choice but to ring Mrs Zip and ask her to make the 140 mike round trip with my spare fob so that I could drive home.

Suffice to say Mrs Zip was not best pleased with me and after a difficult convo reluctantly agreed to pick us up. So after ninety minutes in the luxurious surroundings of the carpark Mrs Z duly arrived.
This morning I was in the process of sorting out changing my locks as I hadn’t ruled out my keys being nicked but rung the club more out of hope than anything else to see if the fob had been found. When I explained what was on my fob, ie an important photo of my late mum, front door key and the fob itself they confirmed it had been found and are posting it out to me.

Not the best of starts to 2019 but thanks to the club for sorting me out and of course the long suffering but stunningly beautiful Mrs Zip.

Ouch, glad to hear the club had recovered it and you'll get it back.

Hope Mrs Zip works that for all it's worth.

[Snowflake Royal]

We wouldn't go into administration. We haven't oxf*rd a load of money in recent times and we haven't paid silly wages out either. We are actually in a fairly decent position should we go down to League 1. We have assets we can sell and a strong set of youth players who can come in to the first team.

Have you seen our accounts?

We were paying something like 130% of our turnover just in wages only a couple of years ago. And then we signed Aluko for a reported £7m. We were Thai investment away from going into administration only a three or four years ago.

We have tightened our belts in recent years as you know full well, again you disagree for the sake of it. We are nowhere near in as bad a position as Sunderland, Portsmouth or Coventry who all have slipped out of the Championship in recent years.

And Aluko wasn't a straight £7million as I suspect again you know but wanted to mention in order to reinforce your point. Our owners aren't poor people, they won't just accept administration as a given I wouldn't have thought.

Every year I hear people say we've tightened our belts, every year I see very little sign of it, and every year it hasn't particularly happened in the accounts. I'd point out that whilst we may have reduced our costs, our income has dramatically decreased in a similar period. I've no idea if we'd go into administration on relegation, but it's certainly a possibility. There is only so much money the owners can pump in given FFP.

[leon]

But where has it got us in the league?

The last 10 years or so has been the most successful period in the clubs history

You'd never know it, it's the worst time ever, etc

Has it? The last 5 have been shit.

2003 to 2013 are the most successful 10 years, I’d say.