A bit worrying

[Skyline]

Surely you are the one who should, in order to make your self look less of an idiot than is currently the case, shut up until you have ANY real evidence that demand is falling AND, most importantly, that there's any sign that we will fail regularly to sellout our current capacity and/or sell more seats when the ground has been expanded.


It's not about your bogus claims of falling demand but whether we will sell more seats with a bigger stadium AND have sufficient scope to attract new fans, which is clearly not the case as things stand

This is why I applied your ridiculous assertions to last nights attendance.

Back in the real world, The Mad Stad was soldout last night, as was the case for our first home match last season, not to mention the corresponding fixture of the last campaign.

In fact, back in the real world, the vast majority of home league matches have sold our for the last season and a half with fluctuations amounting to no more than a few hundred and generally attributable to the number of away fans etc.

So, back in the real world, the Chairman and his merry band of "blinkered tossers" feel that existing demand dictates that expansion is required.

Meanwhile, one selfish East Stand STH, who probably still believes the sun shines out of Nicky Forster's backside, begs to differ..........................

But keep posting, Schards, things could be quiet on the work front for the next few weeks and this is becoming more entertaining with every passing sellout :P

LOLZ

That quoted message must be from 10 months ago at least. So either you had it bookmarked just so you could refer back to it all these months later, or else you went trawling through god knows how many pages of this thread to find it. Either way, I just find that terribly sad.

[The 17 Bus]

With an economic downturn people are more careful how they spend their money, I have said many a time that football is too expensive, if the downturn means that ticket prices fall, as is happening at some clubs, then demand could rise again in The Premier League.

Will anyone deny that demand is actually there, although at the moment it is staying away?

We took 10-000 to Arsenal for a reserve game not all that long ago, it was £10 a ticket, one or two on here thought we would not sell the initial allocation, in the end we were given more, that is a colossal amount of support.

That support is still there if the product is right, away attendances this season are well down, the days of filling the south stand for a televised game are over at the moment, some on here say it's the pub and save the cash.

Would anyone doubt that we would get 30k against Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd, Spurs, Arsenal, and I would say at full ticket wack as well, any doubters at all??

[Matt de K]

We took 10-000 to Arsenal for a reserve game not all that long ago, it was £10 a ticket, one or two on here thought we would not sell the initial allocation, in the end we were given more, that is a colossal amount of support.

Really?? Is "not so long ago" 50 years ago for you 2-0?

[The 17 Bus]

We took 10-000 to Arsenal for a reserve game not all that long ago, it was £10 a ticket, one or two on here thought we would not sell the initial allocation, in the end we were given more, that is a colossal amount of support.

Really?? Is "not so long ago" 50 years ago for you 2-0?

feel free to explain that one??

[Platypuss]

I would have though Schards would support the notion that if the profits aren't going to go on players, they might as well go on the infrastructure.

And I'd certainly welcome 24k in a 30k stadium anyway - the concourses are patently far too small for that capacity.

[Stranded]

We took 10-000 to Arsenal for a reserve game not all that long ago, it was £10 a ticket, one or two on here thought we would not sell the initial allocation, in the end we were given more, that is a colossal amount of support.

Really?? Is "not so long ago" 50 years ago for you 2-0?

Spot the person who didn't go to Highbury in the League cup then.

[West Stand Man]

I would have though Schards would support the notion that if the profits aren't going to go on players, they might as well go on the infrastructure.

And I'd certainly welcome 24k in a 30k stadium anyway - the concourses are patently far too small for that capacity.

.. and you don't suspect that the expansion included new concourses to cope with the additional capacity?

[Matt de K]

We took 10-000 to Arsenal for a reserve game not all that long ago, it was £10 a ticket, one or two on here thought we would not sell the initial allocation, in the end we were given more, that is a colossal amount of support.

Really?? Is "not so long ago" 50 years ago for you 2-0?

Spot the person who didn't go to Highbury in the League cup then.

I did go but, although I had consumed a few bevvies, don't remember 10k being there

[Platypuss]

I would have though Schards would support the notion that if the profits aren't going to go on players, they might as well go on the infrastructure.

And I'd certainly welcome 24k in a 30k stadium anyway - the concourses are patently far too small for that capacity.

.. and you don't suspect that the expansion included new concourses to cope with the additional capacity?

Perhaps not as clear as it could have been, I'll admit, but the context is pretty obvious (unless you're determined to find fault, of course. )

I was referring to the existing capacity of the concourses being insufficient for 24k - whch is why I'd welcome the expansion even if it meant the crowds were no bigger.

[SLAMMED]

why do people keep re-opening up this thread. LOCK

[Matt de K]

Because it was never closed duh

And (ironically) it was brought up again Schards

Oh and BTW PM H&P - he's the one for randomly locking threads

[Schards#2]

We need to bear in mind that Schards made his 'no expansion' statement based on his knowledge that we would be relegated and there would be a global recession.

Clearly in an economic downturn and playing the likes of Blackpool and Coventry in midweek / televised Championship games filling a 24k stadium is not likely.

In terms of the longer term future of the club though there still isn't really an argument against needing a bigger ground.

Please tell me this in tongue in cheek.

No doubt when we finally have a home game on a Saturday that isn't televised, it'll duly sell out. Only time will tell.

Schards in 'I have no sensible arguement therefore I'll just make up rubbish' shocker !!

How does the attendance for a Championship game on any day have any bearing on the long term income generation needs of a football club ?

I think it's a real achievement to have one thread on which you try and escape admitting your mistakes by claiming that you will only be proved right or wrong at some point in the future and another one on which it is the events of today that show you are right about along term issue !

I'm sorry, reading your previous post gave me the, presumably wrong, inpression that you felt we weren't selling out because we were playing the likes of Blackpool, we were playing in midweek and games were being shown live on TV. The obvious assumption is that you believe that on a Saturday against more fashionable opposition in a game not on TV, we would.

Has this scenario happened yet? - Yes

Did we sell out? - No

Clearly the club agrees with me given that an extention is no longer on the agenda and the excuse about the cost of steel doesn't even wash anymore, so can you confirm you disagree with the club or would this neccesitate you flagellating yourself with a copy of Alan Sedunary's book and saying 100 hail John's?

[Sun Tzu]

I'm sorry, reading your previous post gave me the, presumably wrong, inpression that you felt we weren't selling out because we were playing the likes of Blackpool, we were playing in midweek and games were being shown live on TV. The obvious assumption is that you believe that on a Saturday against more fashionable opposition in a game not on TV, we would.

I'll accept your gracious and unprecedented admission that you were wrong.

Perhaps you can now turn your attention to other areas and admit your error in those as well.

[Woodcote Royal]

Surely you are the one who should, in order to make your self look less of an idiot than is currently the case, shut up until you have ANY real evidence that demand is falling AND, most importantly, that there's any sign that we will fail regularly to sellout our current capacity and/or sell more seats when the ground has been expanded.


It's not about your bogus claims of falling demand but whether we will sell more seats with a bigger stadium AND have sufficient scope to attract new fans, which is clearly not the case as things stand

This is why I applied your ridiculous assertions to last nights attendance.

Back in the real world, The Mad Stad was soldout last night, as was the case for our first home match last season, not to mention the corresponding fixture of the last campaign.

In fact, back in the real world, the vast majority of home league matches have sold our for the last season and a half with fluctuations amounting to no more than a few hundred and generally attributable to the number of away fans etc.

So, back in the real world, the Chairman and his merry band of "blinkered tossers" feel that existing demand dictates that expansion is required.

Meanwhile, one selfish East Stand STH, who probably still believes the sun shines out of Nicky Forster's backside, begs to differ..........................

But keep posting, Schards, things could be quiet on the work front for the next few weeks and this is becoming more entertaining with every passing sellout :P

LOLZ

That quoted message must be from 10 months ago at least. So either you had it bookmarked just so you could refer back to it all these months later, or else you went trawling through god knows how many pages of this thread to find it. Either way, I just find that terribly sad.

Yep, if one word could sum up this posters very existence, sad would have to be as good as it gets.

Whilst quoting my comments about Premiership attendances a year ago I note that yesterday, the penultimate Saturday before Christmas as we enter one of the worst recessions in living memory, nearly 20k turned up to watch our match in the Championship. To most supporters, something approaching 80% capacity in the current climate would seem impressive for a second tier fixture and stand as yet more proof that a return to the top flight would see the Mad Stad sold out for most home games.

Only our resident dipstick, who litters this board with threads dedicated to his inability to admit when it's been proven beyond all doubt that he's wrong, would see 16k on a miserable Tuesday night as justification for opening this can of worms for the umpteenth time.

It does, indeed, require one sad and increasingly desperate idiot.

[Schards#2]

LOL @ Woodcote Royal

Pining for 6,000 empty seats and a £20 million debt.

[working class hero]

LOL @ Woodcote Royal

Pining for 6,000 empty seats and a £20 million debt.

The club have said it costs £1000 per seat - so only a £6million debt [I've told you a thousand trillion times not to exaggerate].

Recouped in 2 seasons of bums on seats and then watch the profits roll in

[Schards#2]

LOL @ Woodcote Royal

Pining for 6,000 empty seats and a £20 million debt.

The club have said it costs £1000 per seat - so only a £6million debt [I've told you a thousand trillion times not to exaggerate].

Recouped in 2 seasons of bums on seats and then watch the profits roll in

At the time the club walked away from it, I seem to recall a figure of around £20 million being banded around.

I'd be interested to hear how an empty seat recoups its cost. We have only had a gate above 21,000 this season and zero sell outs.

So, had this being ready at the start of the season like certain village idiots would have liked, I calculate the total cost recouped thus far would have been....errrr.....Nil....zero....nothing......sod all..........£0.00.

However, the interest on the cost would be totting up all the time and this, plus the initial outlay would, presumably, be impacting on the quality of the squad.

Oh, and the certainty of ticket availablity in groups would probably have reduced season ticket sales.

Good business all round.

Could someone explain why it is "sad" to have this opinion?

[Thaumagurist*]

We need an emoticon for short-sightedness as that's what Schards seems to be.

[The 17 Bus]

RFC have as much spin as the conservative Party, when it suits them, we made £6m last year, 3 years like that and seats paid for, if £20m, or its in bank now if £6m. far better than £2m on a media centre.

Guess within about 7 weeks we will know if it is to happen this summer or not.

I suppose in some ways it might be a good time to think about it as we have not been selling out, therefore they can take away the back few rows and piss off less ST holders while it is being built, was it 12 rows that had to go during building??

[Dirk Gently]

I can't believe that this has been dredged up again, and that people are arguing about it even though the whole situation has been changed!

Of course it's a ludicrous idea to increase capacity when we're not in the PL - so what this season's attendances have to do with the argument is completely beyond me!

The fact is that the whole scheme was based upon the assumption that we'd remain in the PL and so have PL-level demand, which includes a number of matches each season which are guaranteed sell-outs and a number of others for which demand would be substantially increased - it also includes PL-level ST sales.

So to use current attendances to argue for or against anything is sheer madness!