Gunts on his way?

[Pepe the Horseman]

Gunts will have a European Championships medal soon

[bcubed]

As I've said many times before, he is a very good athlete and that is about it. Poor header of the ball, can't cut out a cross at our end and can't put one in at theirs.

On current form 2 out of those are wrong and full backs aren't usually all that in the air (given that they only play full back because they are too short to be centre backs, too slow to be wingers and not skilful enough to play in midfield. Luckily they are too clever to play in goal)

t

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Cuts out the cross plenty of times
Is last man reading the play and putting in a key block or interception many times
Makes more runs into good positions than anyone, including Vydra
Does put in a good cross

Just my opinion but several managers think he's not too bad either

[sandman]

Gunts will have a European Championships medal soon

They don't give people medals for taking part Pepe, the European championships aren't like your old school sports day.

[Pepe the Horseman]

[sandman]

As I've said many times before, he is a very good athlete and that is about it. Poor header of the ball, can't cut out a cross at our end and can't put one in at theirs.

On current form 2 out of those are wrong and full backs aren't usually all that in the air (given that they only play full back because they are too short to be centre backs, too slow to be wingers and not skilful enough to play in midfield. Luckily they are too clever to play in goal)

t

+1

Cuts out the cross plenty of times (he really doesn't.)
Is last man reading the play and putting in a key block or interception many times (he can on occasion, yes, when he's defending on the back post but other than that he rarely gets near the winger when the ball is on his side of the pitch because his positional play is shocking.)
Makes more runs into good positions than anyone, including Vydra (Exactly, he makes the runs and nothing comes of them because his final ball is dreadful)
Does put in a good cross (how many of our goals since he's been here have resulted in a cross from him? Can remember one at the top of my head for Jobi against Birmingham but apart from that they are extremely rare, he put another decent one in recently but it didn't lead to a goal. Most of his crosses either float into the keepers arms or hit the first man.)

Just my opinion but several managers think he's not too bad either. (Well he's been the only option for Clarke and now Brian. And Wales system means they play their only other natural RB, Jazz Richards, in a more advanced role so even they've got no choice but to pick Gunter either.)

He's a good athlete and because of that he makes you think he's better than he is.

[72 bus]

Bang average right back, not anywhere near the class of Murty or Griffin

Proper Fullback



Pretend Fullback

The only difference between Murty and Gunter is that Murty used to shout a lot.

And stop crosses coming in, lets not forget that

[semtex1871]

I'm currently sat in the bar at The Madejski Hotel and Gunter has just walked in with a very gay looking/acting Thai(?) man and has sat down at a table with Madejski......

[Hoop Blah]

I'm currently sat in the bar at The Madejski Hotel and Gunter has just walked in with a very gay looking/acting Thai(?) man and has sat down at a table with Madejski......

What they get up to in their own time is their own business...

For me Gunter is a pretty average full back. I don't think he's good enough at any aspect of his game to play in the Premier League (effectively) but as part of a decent side he can bring a decent amount to the table.

He always looks too easy to play against though and certainly needs to toughen up a bit, at both ends of the pitch, to make the most of his undoubted athletic ability.

I wouldn't be too fussed if we couldn't get him to sign a new contract but likewise I'd be happy enough if he did re-sign and we managed to get a bit more out of him going forward as part of a more dynamic team under McDermott.

[Ian Royal]

Works hard but cannot put a cross in to save his life and the only pass he seems to have is that first time pump over the top and down the wings.

Easily replacable and would actually be good to find someone who can cross the ball for the wages we are paying Gunter.

If we are looking at a signing for experience in the team though ... Tony Hibbert?

He's there to defend not cross the ball and he is a welsh international. Go ahead, find better!

If only we had got Clyne, who went to Saints at the time we signed Gunter. Or Trippier who was also a better player and has recently gone to Spurs.

[LWJ]

If only we had got Clyne.

What so we could go looking for another full back not long after?

[Ian Royal]

If only we had got Clyne.

What so we could go looking for another full back not long after?

Having one that wasn't shit might have helped keep us up. Even not, having him for a season and then selling him for a mint meant we could have bought someone else better than Mr Average.

[moonwalklikebas]

Gunts is far from being shit.

Hes not a world beater but he is a good, solid RB. Dependable and his injury record is very good.

There will be a lot of clubs queuing up in this division (and lower prem) if he let his contract run down.

The Majority wont fully understand how important he is to us until he leaves and we have some shonky replacement brought in

[andrew1957]

Gunts is far from being shit.

Hes not a world beater but he is a good, solid RB. Dependable and his injury record is very good.

There will be a lot of clubs queuing up in this division (and lower prem) if he let his contract run down.

The Majority wont fully understand how important he is to us until he leaves and we have some shonky replacement brought in

Spot on. Really cannot understand the negativity from a vocal minority who seem to hate him for no reason whatsoever. He would be greatly missed IMO.

[sandman]

Gunts is far from being shit.

Hes not a world beater but he is a good, solid RB. Dependable and his injury record is very good.

There will be a lot of clubs queuing up in this division (and lower prem) if he let his contract run down.

The Majority wont fully understand how important he is to us until he leaves and we have some shonky replacement brought in

Spot on. Really cannot understand the negativity from a vocal minority who seem to hate him for no reason whatsoever. He would be greatly missed IMO.

Don't hate him and the reasons why he is poor have been listed. You just don't want to accept that others may think Gunter is average at best.

[Ian Royal]

Gunts is far from being shit.

Hes not a world beater but he is a good, solid RB. Dependable and his injury record is very good.

There will be a lot of clubs queuing up in this division (and lower prem) if he let his contract run down.

The Majority wont fully understand how important he is to us until he leaves and we have some shonky replacement brought in

I don't think he's a shit Championship fullback, but he was poor in the PL.

[Pepe the Horseman]

I'm his number 1 fan and even I admit he was shocking in the prem.

[bcubed]

Cuts out the cross plenty of times (he really doesn't.)
Is last man reading the play and putting in a key block or interception many times (he can on occasion, yes, when he's defending on the back post but other than that he rarely gets near the winger when the ball is on his side of the pitch because his positional play is shocking.)
Makes more runs into good positions than anyone, including Vydra (Exactly, he makes the runs and nothing comes of them because his final ball is dreadful)
Does put in a good cross (how many of our goals since he's been here have resulted in a cross from him? Can remember one at the top of my head for Jobi against Birmingham but apart from that they are extremely rare, he put another decent one in recently but it didn't lead to a goal. Most of his crosses either float into the keepers arms or hit the first man.)

Just my opinion but several managers think he's not too bad either. (Well he's been the only option for Clarke and now Brian. And Wales system means they play their only other natural RB, Jazz Richards, in a more advanced role so even they've got no choice but to pick Gunter either.)

He's a good athlete and because of that he makes you think he's better than he is.

You seem to have a closed mind on this issue

I disagree with you about his defensive abilities. He's really not that bad. Not good enough for the Prem, but not bad.

For the record I am saying he makes lots of runs which are not spotted by teammates so never result in anything because of them not passing to him.

And IMO his crosses are good, not all but most, whether or not they result in goals. Who else is crossing that results in goals? It's not his fault if people can't finish or don't attack the ball.

If he was as bad a footballer as you claim he simply wouldn't have held down a place in a Championship team for such a long time, not to mention his international experience and success.

[sandman]

If I had a closed mind on him then I wouldn't commend him for his athletic ability and his professionalism. He is not alone in being a player who is more of an athlete than he is a technical footballer, the modern game is littered with them.

Wales have two right backs, due to the system Coleman plays his only other option to play in that position is in their team so of course Gunter is going to get lots of caps. Wales are doing well but they aren't doing well by relying on players like Gunter and Church. They're doing well because they've been lucky enough to produce two top class players in Bale and Ramsay.

Similarly the only competition Gunter has here is Niall Keown who may not even end up being a right back.

Oh and I've criticised plenty of others crossing as well so Gunter is not the only one I have an issue with in that regard.

[bcubed]

If I had a closed mind on him then I wouldn't commend him for his athletic ability and his professionalism. He is not alone in being a player who is more of an athlete than he is a technical footballer, the modern game is littered with them.

Wales have two right backs, due to the system Coleman plays his only other option to play in that position is in their team so of course Gunter is going to get lots of caps. Wales are doing well but they aren't doing well by relying on players like Gunter and Church. They're doing well because they've been lucky enough to produce two top class players in Bale and Ramsay.

Similarly the only competition Gunter has here is Niall Keown who may not even end up being a right back.

Oh and I've criticised plenty of others crossing as well so Gunter is not the only one I have an issue with in that regard.

Commenting on his athletic ability and his professionalism doesn't really illustrate an open mind. It's a bit like saying that a school kid tries hard and has turned up to all his lessons! It's what teachers say to try to demonstrate they are being even handed when they actually think the kid is a no hoper. It's just the recognised way of presenting feedback.

Anyway I happen to think he's a decent Championship defender and often one of our better perfomers. That may not mean a lot over the past two or three years but it's the standard we are at.

[bobby1413]

If I had a closed mind on him then I wouldn't commend him for his athletic ability and his professionalism. He is not alone in being a player who is more of an athlete than he is a technical footballer, the modern game is littered with them.

Wales have two right backs, due to the system Coleman plays his only other option to play in that position is in their team so of course Gunter is going to get lots of caps. Wales are doing well but they aren't doing well by relying on players like Gunter and Church. They're doing well because they've been lucky enough to produce two top class players in Bale and Ramsay.

Similarly the only competition Gunter has here is Niall Keown who may not even end up being a right back.

Oh and I've criticised plenty of others crossing as well so Gunter is not the only one I have an issue with in that regard.

It's a bit like saying that a school kid tries hard and has turned up to all his lessons! It's what teachers say to try to demonstrate they are being even handed when they actually think the kid is a no hoper.

That's not true as my teachers used to say that about me. I turnt out good