New Signings ?

[brendywendy]

not as much as i do at 2.5 million.hes worth 5 IMO

you believe doobs was awful, i believe he was good enough to merit his place most times last season.-clearly bikey is better, but if the other option was pearce you have to go with one of the experienced heads IMO.
whereas you seem to ignore the fact that a pearce/bikey defence was considered very inexperienced by the coaches that saw them every day.
either way its just opinion, neither is right or wrong, and neither can be proven, no matter how many times you say it.

Please enlighten me as to what those coaches who saw them every day managed to do with the squad that was easily good enough to gain promotion. Perhaps if those coaches were correct in their beliefs then they'd still be working at RFC.

LOL!

wasnt our defence one of the top 3 in the division?
and better than either side that went up automatically(made up stat alert)?

[Schards#2]

To be fair the latter ones were mainly panic measures to try and find some spark to save our season.

By then I think it was all a little too late and the real damage was done over the previous 18 months as the squad was unbalanced and far far too cosy for too many of the players.

I think it's a bit rich for some people to be having a pop at Royalee for having and opinion and backing it up over time, especially when one of them created quite a club critical thread basically calling for some major changes at the top of the club.

If you're referring to me, I wanted change at the top because it was clear both manager and Chairman didn't really want be here and that scenario was likely to hinder the club. History would suggest that judgement was pretty accurate. That's a world away from saying they are crap which is, basically, what Royalee will be doing if/when we lose 3 on the trot.

[Franchise FC]

not as much as i do at 2.5 million.hes worth 5 IMO

you believe doobs was awful, i believe he was good enough to merit his place most times last season.-clearly bikey is better, but if the other option was pearce you have to go with one of the experienced heads IMO.
whereas you seem to ignore the fact that a pearce/bikey defence was considered very inexperienced by the coaches that saw them every day.
either way its just opinion, neither is right or wrong, and neither can be proven, no matter how many times you say it.

Please enlighten me as to what those coaches who saw them every day managed to do with the squad that was easily good enough to gain promotion. Perhaps if those coaches were correct in their beliefs then they'd still be working at RFC.

They managed to select a defence that was one of the tightest in the division.

Our failure to gain promotion was not down to our defence, so to suggest that selection errors over which centre back pairing to use cost us seems a bit like arguing that the catering on the Titanic was not up to scratch.

To be fair - apparently, they didn't put enough lemon in the prawn cocktail.

[Royalee]

not as much as i do at 2.5 million.hes worth 5 IMO

you believe doobs was awful, i believe he was good enough to merit his place most times last season.-clearly bikey is better, but if the other option was pearce you have to go with one of the experienced heads IMO.
whereas you seem to ignore the fact that a pearce/bikey defence was considered very inexperienced by the coaches that saw them every day.
either way its just opinion, neither is right or wrong, and neither can be proven, no matter how many times you say it.

Please enlighten me as to what those coaches who saw them every day managed to do with the squad that was easily good enough to gain promotion. Perhaps if those coaches were correct in their beliefs then they'd still be working at RFC.

LOL!

wasnt our defence one of the top 3 in the division?
and better than either side that went up automatically(made up stat alert)?

Maybe it would have been the best in the division if Coppell had sorted it out after Christmas - maybe then we'd have gone back up.

[brendywendy]

History would suggest that judgement was pretty accurate

im not sure anyone can say either way.

[brendywendy]

Please enlighten me as to what those coaches who saw them every day managed to do with the squad that was easily good enough to gain promotion. Perhaps if those coaches were correct in their beliefs then they'd still be working at RFC.

LOL!

wasnt our defence one of the top 3 in the division?
and better than either side that went up automatically(made up stat alert)?

Maybe it would have been the best in the division if Coppell had sorted it out after Christmas - maybe then we'd have gone back up.

you wanted him to sort out the defence that was the best in the division pre xmas?

[Royalee]

not as much as i do at 2.5 million.hes worth 5 IMO

you believe doobs was awful, i believe he was good enough to merit his place most times last season.-clearly bikey is better, but if the other option was pearce you have to go with one of the experienced heads IMO.
whereas you seem to ignore the fact that a pearce/bikey defence was considered very inexperienced by the coaches that saw them every day.
either way its just opinion, neither is right or wrong, and neither can be proven, no matter how many times you say it.

Please enlighten me as to what those coaches who saw them every day managed to do with the squad that was easily good enough to gain promotion. Perhaps if those coaches were correct in their beliefs then they'd still be working at RFC.

They managed to select a defence that was one of the tightest in the division.

Our failure to gain promotion was not down to our defence, so to suggest that selection errors over which centre back pairing to use cost us seems a bit like arguing that the catering on the Titanic was not up to scratch.

Depends on how you look at it - Coppell chose to think that the lack of goals was down to the forwards when it was through lack of quality service. We let more goals in after the turn of the year and although we had a reasonably good defensive record, we weren't the best and it could have been improved. Also, the result of playing Duberry was that we hoofed the ball aimlessly far more so that we didn't create chances through retaining possession, which was a major factor as to why we didn't go up.

[brendywendy]

i think the number of changes in the midfield, says that coppell thought it was creating chances where we were suffering, not putting them away

[Sun Tzu]

Maybe it would have been the best in the division if Coppell had sorted it out after Christmas - maybe then we'd have gone back up.

I'd have been worried if he'd spent much time sorting out something that wasn't a problem.
Of course if we had not conceded specific goals we would have gone up, but a number of the key goals we did concede were not really defensive errors - they were due to midfield failings.

[Royalee]

He did drop his top goalscorer at the business end of the season though.

[brendywendy]

He did drop his top goalscorer at the business end of the season though.

was that the injured one?

[Franchise FC]

He did drop his top goalscorer at the business end of the season though.

Wasn't he injured ?

OK - I'll dodd myself for being too slow.

[Sun Tzu]

Depends on how you look at it - Coppell chose to think that the lack of goals was down to the forwards when it was through lack of quality service. We let more goals in after the turn of the year and although we had a reasonably good defensive record, we weren't the best and it could have been improved. Also, the result of playing Duberry was that we hoofed the ball aimlessly far more so that we didn't create chances through retaining possession, which was a major factor as to why we didn't go up.

Duberry should never have been left with the ball. His 'hoof's were due entirely to us not having a midfielder prepared to drop back and take the ball off him. Bikey was hardly more effective, although he di dhit his 40 yarders with a little more style and the odd one drew a round of applause he did not noticeably imprve our creative side.

[Royalee]

He did drop his top goalscorer at the business end of the season though.

Wasn't he injured ?

OK - I'll dodd myself for being too slow.

He managed to play for Ireland, so he can't have been that bad.

[Hoop Blah]

To be fair the latter ones were mainly panic measures to try and find some spark to save our season.

By then I think it was all a little too late and the real damage was done over the previous 18 months as the squad was unbalanced and far far too cosy for too many of the players.

I think it's a bit rich for some people to be having a pop at Royalee for having and opinion and backing it up over time, especially when one of them created quite a club critical thread basically calling for some major changes at the top of the club.

If you're referring to me, I wanted change at the top because it was clear both manager and Chairman didn't really want be here and that scenario was likely to hinder the club. History would suggest that judgement was pretty accurate. That's a world away from saying they are crap which is, basically, what Royalee will be doing if/when we lose 3 on the trot.

I was refering more to your apparent attitude that Royalee was wrong because he dared criticise Coppell and defended his position on that despite others arguing against it.

I agreed with your concerns regarding Coppell (not really JM's position) not wanting to be here, but your pretty laughable response to criticism on your opinion makes your attack on Royalee (which, by the way, I don't think has too much in the way of evidence to support he'll be on Rodgers back after a quick spell of poor form) is a little bit hypocritical.

[Schards#2]

To be fair the latter ones were mainly panic measures to try and find some spark to save our season.

By then I think it was all a little too late and the real damage was done over the previous 18 months as the squad was unbalanced and far far too cosy for too many of the players.

I think it's a bit rich for some people to be having a pop at Royalee for having and opinion and backing it up over time, especially when one of them created quite a club critical thread basically calling for some major changes at the top of the club.

If you're referring to me, I wanted change at the top because it was clear both manager and Chairman didn't really want be here and that scenario was likely to hinder the club. History would suggest that judgement was pretty accurate. That's a world away from saying they are crap which is, basically, what Royalee will be doing if/when we lose 3 on the trot.

I was refering more to your apparent attitude that Royalee was wrong because he dared criticise Coppell and defended his position on that despite others arguing against it.

I agreed with your concerns regarding Coppell (not really JM's position) not wanting to be here, but your pretty laughable response to criticism on your opinion makes your attack on Royalee (which, by the way, I don't think has too much in the way of evidence to support he'll be on Rodgers back after a quick spell of poor form) is a little bit hypocritical.

Royalee's entitled to whatever opinion he likes, i'm not "attacking him" i'm just suggesting that the standards he sets for managers would indicate he will be on the new guys back given the slightest poor run.

[Royalee]

I've already outlined why I'll give Rodgers plenty of patience, not that I think he'll need the three years Coppell required to take us up.

[brendywendy]

i was attacking him


but i concede defeat, i have work to do.

[Sun Tzu]

I've already outlined why I'll give Rodgers plenty of patience, not that I think he'll need the three years Coppell required to take us up.

That's a monsterous mis representation of the facts.

If Rodgers takes us up in his second season then that will have equalled what Coppell achieved. Rodgers has the huge advantage of a preseason, whereas Coppell had to do his emergency repairs while the seasonw as in full flow.

[brendywendy]

I've already outlined why I'll give Rodgers plenty of patience, not that I think he'll need the three years Coppell required to take us up.

congrats mystic smeg