Next England Manager

[Stranded]

This is a man who saves doomed clubs from relegation on a regular basis. Whatever he instils into those players when he joins them….it’s exactly what is missing from the England set-up. His coaching methods aren’t from your average UEFA training manual are they ??? I do not think for a minute that an Allardyce England side would have lost to Iceland.

From Mediawatch on F365 today:

This next nugget is particularly infuriating, and Shearer is not alone in this utterly baseless opinion delivered as fact:

‘There is no way England would have lost to Iceland at the Euros is Sam was in charge.’
A short list of clubs who beat West Ham in cup competitions during his four years in charge: Sheffield Wednesday, Aldershot Town, Wigan (4-1), Nottingham Forest (5-0), Sheffield United and West Brom (4-0).

You’re right, of course; an Allardyce side would never lose to Iceland.

[No Fixed Abode]

Big Sam is England manager.

First with the news again.

[sputnik]

congratz kes, top work

[Nameless]

This is a man who saves doomed clubs from relegation on a regular basis. Whatever he instils into those players when he joins them….it’s exactly what is missing from the England set-up. His coaching methods aren’t from your average UEFA training manual are they ??? I do not think for a minute that an Allardyce England side would have lost to Iceland.

From Mediawatch on F365 today:

This next nugget is particularly infuriating, and Shearer is not alone in this utterly baseless opinion delivered as fact:

‘There is no way England would have lost to Iceland at the Euros is Sam was in charge.’
A short list of clubs who beat West Ham in cup competitions during his four years in charge: Sheffield Wednesday, Aldershot Town, Wigan (4-1), Nottingham Forest (5-0), Sheffield United and West Brom (4-0).

You’re right, of course; an Allardyce side would never lose to Iceland.

Would Sam field the u21 side in a World Cup qualifier ?

[Top Flight]

Very good appointment by the FA.

Hopefully he can stick to his principles and do the job!

[Hoop Blah]

From this initial squad it looks like he'll be going for some form of 4-4-1-1/4-2-3-1.

I'm guessing his first side will be, baring injuries.

Hart
Walker
Shaw
Stones
Cahill
Henderson
Dier
Antonio
Rooney
Sterling
Kane

[Sanguine]

Distinctly underwhelmed by ‘new’ England – Sterling still refusing to run at anyone, Rooney still playing too deep, Kane still isolated, Danny Rose still better in the opponents’ half than his own, Slovakia still playing defence v attack.
Allardyce’s comments on Rooney were a bit worrying – along the lines of ‘Wayne plays where he wants, he doesn’t need my help’, which isn’t typical of Sam’s robust tactical approach.
We got the win – yay – and Lallana deserved his goal for a very decent performance, but it wasn’t difficult to see much of an imprint of Allardyce on the team.
Indeed to follow the symmetry of the 0-0 in France, it was only when Dele Alli came on and played between the lines that we looked much of a threat. Again.

[bcubed]

Distinctly underwhelmed by ‘new’ England – Sterling still refusing to run at anyone, Rooney still playing too deep, Kane still isolated, Danny Rose still better in the opponents’ half than his own, Slovakia still playing defence v attack.
Allardyce’s comments on Rooney were a bit worrying – along the lines of ‘Wayne plays where he wants, he doesn’t need my help’, which isn’t typical of Sam’s robust tactical approach.
We got the win – yay – and Lallana deserved his goal for a very decent performance, but it wasn’t difficult to see much of an imprint of Allardyce on the team.
Indeed to follow the symmetry of the 0-0 in France, it was only when Dele Alli came on and played between the lines that we looked much of a threat. Again.

plus ca change

[Hoop Blah]

Agreed there wasn't too much change from the EURO's, but it is early days.

I thought Stones played well and, as you'd expect, came out of the back four well but still had a couple of defensive lapses that, thankfully didn't really hurt us (once when he let the ball bounce and gave possession away on the edge of the box, a bad decision, and once we he didn't cover the space behind Rose and, I think, instead went wider to get into a position to receive a pass).

I'm still not convinced Dier is all that, but with his schooling as a centre half he and Stones might be a really good combination.

[Handsome Man]

I was mortally disappointed with the appointment, but he won his first game with the last kick - perhaps we will benefit from a lucky manager for a couple of years now.

Also, the defence looked a little better (I agree about Stones) and the passing that avoided Rooney looked quite good.

[Sutekh]

How insightful of you to bump this thread, mar3cz3k, given the other news about Mr Allardyce in the Telegraph today.

[sputnik]

[genome]

I see Gareth Southgate is trying to distance himself from the permanent manager's job by recalling Glen Johnson.

I'd forgotten he even existed

[Pepe the Horseman]

I see Gareth Southgate is trying to distance himself from the permanent manager's job by recalling Glen Johnson.

I'd forgotten he even existed

I genuinely thought he'd retired.

[Silver Fox]

Pulls out of the squad injured. Burnley's Michael Keane (me neither) called up to replace him

[Hoop Blah]

Pulls out of the squad injured. Burnley's Michael Keane (me neither) called up to replace him

That's slightly odd. I don't know much about him (apart from he's one of a pair of highly rated twins that came through the United youth system) but I'm sure he's a centre half. Maybe Dyche has been playing him at right back for Burnley (wouldn't surprise me and I've not watched anything of Burnley this season) but this is an example of Southgate's muddled thinking for me.

If he just wanted to call up a defender for the sake of it why call up Johnson in the first place? If he wanted to bring in a specialist right back (ie Johnson) then why replace him with a make-shift one in Keane when there are a number of young/youngish right backs who it might've been better to look at.

I quite like a lot about Southgate, and I like a lot of what he says, but his decisions often baffle me.

[genome]

Isn't he a centre back?

Edit: Oh snap.

[genome]

Feel for Danny Simpson, wins a Premier League title and gets overlooked in favour of Glen Johnson, and then is overlooked again for a centre back

[Brosef Stalin]

Well...that was shite!

[John Madejski's Wallet]

And thoroughly unsurprising