VAR

[Sutekh]

Can't help but feel VAR was not in the spirit of the game after denying muff a 4th at Old Trafford.

[Winston Biscuit]

Belgian Pro League match between Genk & Anderlecht to be replayed in full due a VAR error.

20 minutes into the game Genk are awarded a penalty, its saved but they score the rebound. VAR tells the ref to disallow it because the player who scored the rebound was just inside the penalty area when the penalty was first taken. VAR didn't notice that some opposition players were also inside the penalty area when the pen was first taken, which means encroachment which means penalty should have just been retaken

Genk filed a complaint to the Belgian football authorities and they have decided the game should be replayed in full.

preposterous decision, because absolutely everything to do with VAR is preposterous, but even if you were in favour of replaying i then surely you would restart the game 20 minutes in with one team having a penalty?!

[Stranded]

Belgian Pro League match between Genk & Anderlecht to be replayed in full due a VAR error.

20 minutes into the game Genk are awarded a penalty, its saved but they score the rebound. VAR tells the ref to disallow it because the player who scored the rebound was just inside the penalty area when the penalty was first taken. VAR didn't notice that some opposition players were also inside the penalty area when the pen was first taken, which means encroachment which means penalty should have just been retaken

Genk filed a complaint to the Belgian football authorities and they have decided the game should be replayed in full.

preposterous decision, because absolutely everything to do with VAR is preposterous, but even if you were in favour of replaying i then surely you would restart the game 20 minutes in with one team having a penalty?!

Randomly saw that game whilst on the overnight ferry from Rotterdam to Hull. It really was a terrible, terrible decision which totally changed the flow of the game. Don't agree with the decision but can see why they have gone down that route.

[Sutekh]

Belgian Pro League match between Genk & Anderlecht to be replayed in full due a VAR error.

20 minutes into the game Genk are awarded a penalty, its saved but they score the rebound. VAR tells the ref to disallow it because the player who scored the rebound was just inside the penalty area when the penalty was first taken. VAR didn't notice that some opposition players were also inside the penalty area when the pen was first taken, which means encroachment which means penalty should have just been retaken

Genk filed a complaint to the Belgian football authorities and they have decided the game should be replayed in full.

preposterous decision, because absolutely everything to do with VAR is preposterous, but even if you were in favour of replaying i then surely you would restart the game 20 minutes in with one team having a penalty?!

Randomly saw that game whilst on the overnight ferry from Rotterdam to Hull. It really was a terrible, terrible decision which totally changed the flow of the game. Don't agree with the decision but can see why they have gone down that route.

Just shows how utterly incompetent a set of video referees can be, still we know that already from some of the bizarre goings on in the PL this season.

[Stranded]

Belgian Pro League match between Genk & Anderlecht to be replayed in full due a VAR error.

20 minutes into the game Genk are awarded a penalty, its saved but they score the rebound. VAR tells the ref to disallow it because the player who scored the rebound was just inside the penalty area when the penalty was first taken. VAR didn't notice that some opposition players were also inside the penalty area when the pen was first taken, which means encroachment which means penalty should have just been retaken

Genk filed a complaint to the Belgian football authorities and they have decided the game should be replayed in full.

preposterous decision, because absolutely everything to do with VAR is preposterous, but even if you were in favour of replaying i then surely you would restart the game 20 minutes in with one team having a penalty?!

Randomly saw that game whilst on the overnight ferry from Rotterdam to Hull. It really was a terrible, terrible decision which totally changed the flow of the game. Don't agree with the decision but can see why they have gone down that route.

Just shows how utterly incompetent a set of video referees can be, still we know that already from some of the bizarre goings on in the PL this season.

Completely - if you get a chance to see it, it really was bizarre how they got to that decision. Even my 6 year old knew something wasn't right even though he couldn't explain what it was.

[6ft Kerplunk]

20 minutes into the game Genk are awarded a penalty, its saved but they score the rebound. VAR tells the ref to disallow it because the player who scored the rebound was just inside the penalty area when the penalty was first taken. VAR didn't notice that some opposition players were also inside the penalty area when the pen was first taken, which means encroachment which means penalty should have just been retaken

Was it the attacking player or defending player who encroached first? Does that as the first offence determine whether the penalty gets retaken or not?

[BRO_BOT]

Randomly saw that game whilst on the overnight ferry from Rotterdam to Hull. It really was a terrible, terrible decision which totally changed the flow of the game. Don't agree with the decision but can see why they have gone down that route.

Just shows how utterly incompetent a set of video referees can be, still we know that already from some of the bizarre goings on in the PL this season.

Completely - if you get a chance to see it, it really was bizarre how they got to that decision. Even my 6 year old knew something wasn't right even though he couldn't explain what it was.

Your six year old sounds like a fcuking idiot

sorry Stranded but a meme's a meme

[Stranded]

Just shows how utterly incompetent a set of video referees can be, still we know that already from some of the bizarre goings on in the PL this season.

Completely - if you get a chance to see it, it really was bizarre how they got to that decision. Even my 6 year old knew something wasn't right even though he couldn't explain what it was.

Your six year old sounds like a fcuking idiot

sorry Stranded but a meme's a meme

Not going to argue.

[Winston Biscuit]

20 minutes into the game Genk are awarded a penalty, its saved but they score the rebound. VAR tells the ref to disallow it because the player who scored the rebound was just inside the penalty area when the penalty was first taken. VAR didn't notice that some opposition players were also inside the penalty area when the pen was first taken, which means encroachment which means penalty should have just been retaken

Was it the attacking player or defending player who encroached first? Does that as the first offence determine whether the penalty gets retaken or not?

Teammate #14 in the dark kit scores the rebound, and it was disallowed for him encroaching, but the oppo players further up on the pic encroached more but VAR didn't notice. I am pretty sure that's what happened anyway.

[LWJ]

Was it the attacking player or defending player who encroached first? Does that as the first offence determine whether the penalty gets retaken or not?

No the offence is being inside the box when the penalty kick is taken. So both offences occur simultaneously when the ball is kicked.

You could in theory stand inside the box and run out before the box is taken. Not sure why you would mind.

[LWJ]

20 minutes into the game Genk are awarded a penalty, its saved but they score the rebound. VAR tells the ref to disallow it because the player who scored the rebound was just inside the penalty area when the penalty was first taken. VAR didn't notice that some opposition players were also inside the penalty area when the pen was first taken, which means encroachment which means penalty should have just been retaken

Was it the attacking player or defending player who encroached first? Does that as the first offence determine whether the penalty gets retaken or not?

Teammate #14 in the dark kit scores the rebound, and it was disallowed for him encroaching, but the oppo players further up on the pic encroached more but VAR didn't notice. I am pretty sure that's what happened anyway.

FWIW this picture is deceiving in how much encroachment there is. He appears to be encroaching inside the D as opposed to the 18 yard box.

[Sutekh]

20 minutes into the game Genk are awarded a penalty, its saved but they score the rebound. VAR tells the ref to disallow it because the player who scored the rebound was just inside the penalty area when the penalty was first taken. VAR didn't notice that some opposition players were also inside the penalty area when the pen was first taken, which means encroachment which means penalty should have just been retaken

Was it the attacking player or defending player who encroached first? Does that as the first offence determine whether the penalty gets retaken or not?

Teammate #14 in the dark kit scores the rebound, and it was disallowed for him encroaching, but the oppo players further up on the pic encroached more but VAR didn't notice. I am pretty sure that's what happened anyway.

Out of interest why doesn't the ref watch the antics of the keeper and taker from the goal line and one of the linesmen watch specifically for encroachment? Remember the ref in the Spurs v Reading game back in 2007 at WHL making a complete balls up of a penalty Spurs scored 'cos he failed to see the Spurs players encroaching.

[Pepe the Horseman]

Nothing to do with VAR but dont think we've got a generic "rules" thread - blue cards to be trialed, possibly in next year's FA Cup.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... -sin-bins/

Blue cards to be introduced for football sin-bins
Exclusive: The new card will see players removed from the field for 10 minutes if they commit a cynical foul or show dissent

[Winston Biscuit]

Nothing to do with VAR but dont think we've got a generic "rules" thread - blue cards to be trialed, possibly in next year's FA Cup.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... -sin-bins/

Blue cards to be introduced for football sin-bins
Exclusive: The new card will see players removed from the field for 10 minutes if they commit a cynical foul or show dissent

ludicrous

[Orion1871]

Nothing to do with VAR but dont think we've got a generic "rules" thread - blue cards to be trialed, possibly in next year's FA Cup.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... -sin-bins/

Blue cards to be introduced for football sin-bins
Exclusive: The new card will see players removed from the field for 10 minutes if they commit a cynical foul or show dissent

Or, you know, actually commit to the automatic yellow card for dissent instead of applying the rule for a month and then forgetting about it.

[WestYorksRoyal]

I'm open minded, I bet if you find old sports columns from when they introduced 3 points for a win or the backpass rule, I'm sure you'd have found plenty of inches saying the rules don't need changing. But the game is unimaginable without them now.

I worry about time wasted while the 10 minutes count down, but at the same time cynical fouls like Chiellini on Saka deserve a stronger punishment. It should never be advantageous to commit a foul.

The lack of respect to officials is the scourge of the game; it embarrasses football next to other sports so strong punishments for dissent also make sense. What I would say is respect from officials needs to improve too. More transparency, mic up the ref and VAR. They trialled mics at the women's world cup and they were pathetic at it. They would say "penalty because it is handball", not "I think the player's hand is in an unnatural position so it is handball". If you're going to take a harder line on dissent, you have to improve transparency. And crack down on the ridiculous trend of club statements crying about decisions.

[Stranded]

Nothing to do with VAR but dont think we've got a generic "rules" thread - blue cards to be trialed, possibly in next year's FA Cup.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... -sin-bins/

Blue cards to be introduced for football sin-bins
Exclusive: The new card will see players removed from the field for 10 minutes if they commit a cynical foul or show dissent

ludicrous

All for it - seems a sensible way forward to try and counter a growing issue (in terms of dissent). If the introduction of the card does its job then we should barely see it for that - you will still see some where the player takes one for the team and commits a foul to save a goal backing their team to hold out for 10 mins. It may stop teams like Citeh who are clever and take players out in "safe" positions knowing that the punishment of a yellow card is worth it. If that turns into being a man or two down for a few mins, then teams will need to adjust how they break up play when caught on the counter.

And of course, if it doesn't work, they can just pack it away and pretend it never happened just like they did when they scapped moving a free kick forward 10 yards for dissent.

[Sanguine]

Nothing to do with VAR but dont think we've got a generic "rules" thread - blue cards to be trialed, possibly in next year's FA Cup.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... -sin-bins/

Blue cards to be introduced for football sin-bins
Exclusive: The new card will see players removed from the field for 10 minutes if they commit a cynical foul or show dissent

Or, you know, actually commit to the automatic yellow card for dissent instead of applying the rule for a month and then forgetting about it.

The point is that a yellow card doesn't amount to much punishment. Gob off the ref? Cop a yellow and then stay quiet rest of the game? Cynical foul with a team on the break? Yellow card, don't foul again. But the attack was stopped. I like the idea of the blue card - down to 10 men for 10 minutes being the cost of one of those cynical fouls feels appropriate.

[Sanguine]

Nothing to do with VAR but dont think we've got a generic "rules" thread - blue cards to be trialed, possibly in next year's FA Cup.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... -sin-bins/

ludicrous

All for it - seems a sensible way forward to try and counter a growing issue (in terms of dissent). If the introduction of the card does its job then we should barely see it for that - you will still see some where the player takes one for the team and commits a foul to save a goal backing their team to hold out for 10 mins. It may stop teams like Citeh who are clever and take players out in "safe" positions knowing that the punishment of a yellow card is worth it. If that turns into being a man or two down for a few mins, then teams will need to adjust how they break up play when caught on the counter.

And of course, if it doesn't work, they can just pack it away and pretend it never happened just like they did when they scapped moving a free kick forward 10 yards for dissent.

I've mentioned it a few times, but I enjoyed the 'crackdown' on pulling and pushing and jostling in the penalty area a few years back. It lasted about three weeks, we had about 45 penalties given, and then referees were clearly told to back off again.

[Sutekh]

ESPN "study" shows that this season in the PL that VAR officials have made 20 (TWENTY) erroneous decisions which, to be honest, is utterly inexcusable. Same study apparently shows that Liverpool have been on the receiving end of 4 of those decisions with Brighton and Wolves next on 3 apiece and the Arse with 2. Conversely, Villa (3 times) and United, Forest and Arsenal (all twice) have benefitted the most from those decisions.

Something needs to be done, this cr@p is undermining the game and bringing it into disrepute. It cannot be allowed to go on.