I couldn't believe how many calamitous errors we made in defence - I think Henderson, Stones and Dier each separately put a Slovenia player through on goal.Hoop Blah wrote:Apart from Hart and the two fullbacks I think they all had shockers to be fair. Stones and Alli were maybe just below average.
It really was a shocking performance and I can't remember a game where we looked so sloppy on the ball and if these two games are anything to go by then Southgate won't be getting the job.
Pure and simple, if we don't play well AND beat Scotland he won't get the job.Sanguine wrote:I couldn't believe how many calamitous errors we made in defence - I think Henderson, Stones and Dier each separately put a Slovenia player through on goal.Hoop Blah wrote:Apart from Hart and the two fullbacks I think they all had shockers to be fair. Stones and Alli were maybe just below average.
It really was a shocking performance and I can't remember a game where we looked so sloppy on the ball and if these two games are anything to go by then Southgate won't be getting the job.
Agree re Southgate so far - which is a shame in a way, because I like the cut of his jib; ironically he is more an FA man than anyone, yet he's been strong enough to state that things were a mess when he took control, and to drop Rooney on the basis of form. I think he'll make good decisions as an England boss, but he needs a big performance against Scotland.
Hi Alan Shearer!Sutekh wrote:Sanguine wrote:I couldn't believe how many calamitous errors we made in defence - I think Henderson, Stones and Dier each separately put a Slovenia player through on goal.Hoop Blah wrote:Apart from Hart and the two fullbacks I think they all had shockers to be fair. Stones and Alli were maybe just below average.
It really was a shocking performance and I can't remember a game where we looked so sloppy on the ball and if these two games are anything to go by then Southgate won't be getting the job.
Agree re Southgate so far - which is a shame in a way, because I like the cut of his jib; ironically he is more an FA man than anyone, yet he's been strong enough to state that things were a mess when he took control, and to drop Rooney on the basis of form. I think he'll make good decisions as an England boss, but he needs a big performance against Scotland.
Trouble is the Scots players will be really up for it and the English players not really quite so much.
Slovenia clocked how to get under England's skin without that nonsensical 'get into them oxf*rd em up' crap. They pressed high and had outlets to break at all times. Really well set up and executed their game plan well.Hoop Blah wrote:Apart from Hart and the two fullbacks I think they all had shockers to be fair. Stones and Alli were maybe just below average.
It really was a shocking performance and I can't remember a game where we looked so sloppy on the ball and if these two games are anything to go by then Southgate won't be getting the job.
Agreed, and perhaps Slovenia haven't received enough credit for doing that. On the other hand, it was sloppiness from England under little pressure and with open options that caused most of the problems for us, but arguably that was just down to the amount of pressure the Slovenians were applying.stealthpapes wrote:Slovenia clocked how to get under England's skin without that nonsensical 'get into them oxf*rd em up' crap. They pressed high and had outlets to break at all times. Really well set up and executed their game plan well.
England? Game plan?
rofl.
He didn't quite have the courage of his convictions though and brought Rooney on. ShameSanguine wrote:I couldn't believe how many calamitous errors we made in defence - I think Henderson, Stones and Dier each separately put a Slovenia player through on goal.Hoop Blah wrote:Apart from Hart and the two fullbacks I think they all had shockers to be fair. Stones and Alli were maybe just below average.
It really was a shocking performance and I can't remember a game where we looked so sloppy on the ball and if these two games are anything to go by then Southgate won't be getting the job.
Agree re Southgate so far - which is a shame in a way, because I like the cut of his jib; ironically he is more an FA man than anyone, yet he's been strong enough to state that things were a mess when he took control, and to drop Rooney on the basis of form. I think he'll make good decisions as an England boss, but he needs a big performance against Scotland.
Yes except I thought they did "get into' us.stealthpapes wrote:Slovenia clocked how to get under England's skin without that nonsensical 'get into them oxf*rd em up' crap. They pressed high and had outlets to break at all times. Really well set up and executed their game plan well.Hoop Blah wrote:Apart from Hart and the two fullbacks I think they all had shockers to be fair. Stones and Alli were maybe just below average.
It really was a shocking performance and I can't remember a game where we looked so sloppy on the ball and if these two games are anything to go by then Southgate won't be getting the job.
England? Game plan?
rofl.
Kane has been truly shocking for England of late though. His performance against Iceland was an embarrassment.Top Flight wrote:A Kane / Rashford partnership would be best for England.
True! He didn't have a good Euros. But then, who did?No Fixed Abode wrote:Kane has been truly shocking for England of late though. His performance against Iceland was an embarrassment.Top Flight wrote:A Kane / Rashford partnership would be best for England.
It's certainly an obvious plan which is more than Hodgson seemed to have after 2 years.Top Flight wrote:England in a 3-5-2 I think is the answer.
-----------------------------------Hart----------------------------------
----------Smalling-----------Stones-------------Cahill-----------
Walker-----------------------------------------------------------Rose
--------------------Henderson-----------Dier-----------------------
---------------------------------Dele Alli--------------------------------
------------------Kane------------------Rashford--------------------
This is the best way to accommodate two up front. The Welsh with less talent at their disposal got to the Semi-finals in this system.
I think we could thrive like this. Walker and Rose are far more talented than Gunter and Taylor. This sort of line up could work wonders for England. With Kane and Rashford up front together we would carry far more of a threat than what we showed against Slovenia the other night.
I don't think I should be the England manager. If I was actually the England manager I would cave in to media pressure and end up pickingSutekh wrote:It's certainly an obvious plan which is more than Hodgson seemed to have after 2 years.Top Flight wrote:England in a 3-5-2 I think is the answer.
-----------------------------------Hart----------------------------------
----------Smalling-----------Stones-------------Cahill-----------
Walker-----------------------------------------------------------Rose
--------------------Henderson-----------Dier-----------------------
---------------------------------Dele Alli--------------------------------
------------------Kane------------------Rashford--------------------
This is the best way to accommodate two up front. The Welsh with less talent at their disposal got to the Semi-finals in this system.
I think we could thrive like this. Walker and Rose are far more talented than Gunter and Taylor. This sort of line up could work wonders for England. With Kane and Rashford up front together we would carry far more of a threat than what we showed against Slovenia the other night.
Top Flight for the England job then.
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