Videos by stewards

[Jerry St Clair]

Anyone ever submitted a subject access request to RFC?

[FiNeRaIn]

Which makes it rather ironic that stewards won't go into away crowds for "fear of riling them" but are happy to film their own customers to apparently enrage them.

It's really laughable the treatment Reading's limp wristed supporters get compared to their track record for behaviour etc

Its because Reading don't have a reputation they get treated poorly. Millwall, cardiff, west ham,etc don't put up with it so it doesn't happen to them. Reading behave well in general..so what reward do they get? Mistreatment more than any other set of fans...its laughable and I do not know what the motivation is at all. You're supposed to pick on the people acting poorly...not the well behaved people, its like some sort of sick joke.

[who are ya?]

Bottle jobs that's why.

It's like the opposite of lads who would only be seen to pipe up in a sea of old bill knowing the risk factor is massively cut down. They would never go into a crowd of Millwall, Cardiff, Leeds etc throwing their weight about in their arrogant, kuntish way as they do in amongst the Readings of this world.
They have to make themselves look useful somehow.

[Big Foot]

Anyone ever submitted a subject access request to RFC?

Not an area I know huge amounts about - would they be legally obliged to share that content with you?

[Big Foot]

+ you'd also run the risk of getting on the wrong side of the club who could ban you from the Madejski (as it's private property and they're within their rights to) so would imagine it's only a last ditch thing unless you don't care about going to the Madejski again.

[Svlad Cjelli]

Anyone ever submitted a subject access request to RFC?

Not an area I know huge amounts about - would they be legally obliged to share that content with you?

Yes they would - and they are legally obliged to provide it, but they are also allowed to charge you a fee for it.

Full details are summarised here :

Access by Data Subjects

This right is provided by section 7 of the Data Protection Act 1998 - Data Protection Principles 1, 6 & 7.

When data subjects make a request for accessing their information, those operating the system must be able to recognise such a request.

A standard subject access request form should exist for this purpose and should indicate:
What information is required to locate the requested images
What information is required in order to identify the person making the request
What fee is charged for carrying out the requested search (max £10.00)
Whether merely viewing the images recorded would satisfy the individual
That within 40 days of receiving the required fee and information the response will be provided
An explanation of the Rights provided by the 1998 Act

Written information should be given to individuals of the types of images retained, their purpose and the policy concerning disclosure in relation to those images
Standard 2 above should also be provided with the subject access request form
The designated person should deal with all subject access
The images requested should be located by a designated person
A designated person should make the decision whether disclosure also entails disclosure to a third party
A designated person should determine the decision as to whether the images of third parties are held under a duty of confidence
A designated person must ensure that third party images are disguised if third party images are not to be disclosed
An editing company may be used if the system does not have the capability to comply with standard 8 above
If a third party or an editing company is used the following procedures apply:
There is a contractual relationship between the data controller and the editing company
The editing company must give appropriate guarantees regarding the security measures taken in relation to the images
It is the responsibility of the designated person to check and ensure that the guarantees are met
That the editing company can only use the images in accordance with the instructions of the designated person should be explicit and in the form of a written contract
The security guarantees provided by the editing company should be explicit and in the form of a written contract
If it is decided by a designated person that an access is not to be complied with, the following should be documented:
The date of the request
The identity of the person making the request
Why the request to supply the images was refused
The name and signature of the designated person making the decision
All staff should be aware of individuals' rights
If disclosure is made, it should be in private with only authorised staff present
The Data Subject is entitled to a copy of his data in intelligible format (Standard VHS tape)

Under Sections 10, 12 And 13 Of The Data Protection Act 1998 Other Rights May Also Apply

When there is a request from an individual to prevent processing likely to cause unwarranted and substantial damage or automated decision taking in relation to that individual. All operators must be able to recognise such a request
When such requests are made all staff must be aware of the designated person who should respond to them
The response from the designated person must indicate whether they will comply with such requests
There must be a response in writing within 21 days of the designated person receiving the request
The designated person must give written reasons if the request cannot be complied with
A copy of the request and response must be kept
The designated person must notify the individual if an automated decision is made
If the individual makes a request in writing within 21 days the designated person must reconsider an automated decision
The designated person will respond within 21 days setting out the steps they will take if they receive a receipt of the written request in standard 8 above
The designated person will document the original decision, the request from the individual and their response to the request
Data Subjects can take court action to prevent unlawful processing
Data Subjects can claim compensation for "damage" suffered as a result of breaches of this Act

[Svlad Cjelli]

+ you'd also run the risk of getting on the wrong side of the club who could ban you from the Madejski (as it's private property and they're within their rights to) so would imagine it's only a last ditch thing unless you don't care about going to the Madejski again.

I don't think they'd do that - that would be particularly over the top and something that they'd be likely to do in these circumstances.

[Big Foot]

+ you'd also run the risk of getting on the wrong side of the club who could ban you from the Madejski (as it's private property and they're within their rights to) so would imagine it's only a last ditch thing unless you don't care about going to the Madejski again.

I don't think they'd do that - that would be particularly over the top and something that they'd be likely to do in these circumstances.

This is Reading FC, nothing would surprise me

[Svlad Cjelli]

+ you'd also run the risk of getting on the wrong side of the club who could ban you from the Madejski (as it's private property and they're within their rights to) so would imagine it's only a last ditch thing unless you don't care about going to the Madejski again.

I don't think they'd do that - that would be particularly over the top and something that they'd be likely to do in these circumstances.

This is Reading FC, nothing would surprise me

I would be utterly astounded. Although many of the h8rs won't believe it, they are far more open, far more reasonable and far more fan-friendly than the majority of other clubs.

Those who are determined to feel hard-done-by should try supporting Leeds, where Ken Bates uses program articles to call those who criticise him as "morons" - and suggest that other supporters should "sort it out". Or Charlton, where Paul Scally banned a guy (Alan Liptrott) for years after a dispute over who owned an internet domain name. Or numerous other examples I could name - but to the best of my knowledge Reading have never banned anyone for anything other than a breach of ground regulations and I don't believe they would.

I only know of a handful of occasions in the past 10+ years where supporters have been banned for anything other than a breach of ground regulations, all such things go against Football League guidelines and all of these have gone to appeal with the IFO (or equivalent) and in all of them the adjudication has come down in favour of the supporter.

[Silver Fox]

How can Paul Scally ban someone from Charlton?

[Svlad Cjelli]

How can Paul Scally ban someone from Charlton?

Shit! Gillingham, of course!

As I was typing I was remembering how the Charlton Chairman invited Alan Liptrott into the Charlton boardroom when Gillingham played there to show his contempt for the way Scally operated.

[Jerry St Clair]

So, £10 for a subject access request. If a few people request copies of images taken of them in the ground, it might persuade RFC to a be a bit less liberal with their camera usage.

[Svlad Cjelli]

So, £10 for a subject access request. If a few people request copies of images taken of them in the ground, it might persuade RFC to a be a bit less liberal with their camera usage.

Maybe not - some clubs and police forces refuse to release them on the grounds that the images are also of otehr people (other data subjects) and so legally they can't release those images to you.....

[John Madejski's Wallet]

So, £10 for a subject access request. If a few people request copies of images taken of them in the ground, it might persuade RFC to a be a bit less liberal with their camera usage.

Maybe not - some clubs and police forces refuse to release them on the grounds that the images are also of otehr people (other data subjects) and so legally they can't release those images to you.....

So how does that work then?
Does it have to go to court?

[Svlad Cjelli]

It would go to an information tribunal if people pushed it that far, but as it's a long, complicated and expensive process I think the majority of people accept the excuses and move on. No legal aid for cases like this.

[Jerry St Clair]

Fair dos svlad. I can't help thinking that the hassle of dealing with a few requests might make Uncle Clive think twice before getting snap happy in future.

[royal goof]

Are there any rules on publishing photos of supporters on websites/media? Have we agreed to this by entering the stadium? I haven't got a particular concern; just curious about some of the 'up close' shots that have appeared on facebook etc.

[Svlad Cjelli]

Are there any rules on publishing photos of supporters on websites/media? Have we agreed to this by entering the stadium? I haven't got a particular concern; just curious about some of the 'up close' shots that have appeared on facebook etc.

Not by entering the stadum, but by buying a ticket you've accepted the terms and conditions of sale, which include surrendering any image rights related to the game.

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

Which possibly could be contested as an unfair contract, though I doubt anyone is too worried about those images from the club, but the continual videoing seems to be intrusive. And that's from someone on the outside.

[jonboy29red]

so the club say that by entering the gound my image can be posted on the web site surely my permission would be needed? seeing as google have to block out ever face and number plate on street view can i not have that done with mine?