Have to disagree on a few of those ...sandman wrote:We played well and deserved to win but lacked quality at the crucial time. Couple that with a dreadful referee who missed an obvious handball and at least one definite penalty missed as well and it just wasn't our day.
Al Habsi - Nothing to do . 6
Gunter - Not as bad as usual still let one or two crosses in with minimal effort to stop them. 6
McShane - Good performance, kept them quiet and should have been given a penalty. 8
Cooper - Did well on his return, more solid than in recent weeks. 7
Taylor - Solid but not spectacular, as always. 6
HRK - Unfortunate to go of injured. 5
Hector - Fine, count down on the flash harry stuff. 7
Quinn - Love his industry, less keen on his passing as he gives the ball away a little too much for my liking. 7
Williams - Off the pace. 6
John - Constant danger, just a shame he can't finish. 7
Kermogant - Held it up quite well but needs to offer more imo. 6
McCleary -Thought it was the McCleary from two seasons ago for a while there. Excellent goal. 8 Motm
Vydra - Please send him back, had enough. 4
Cox - Unlucky at the end there, the ball was just a little too far for him. Put himself about well. 6
Ref wasnt that goodblueroyals wrote:Players - 6
Tactics - 1
Ref - 0
Just a thought, but it may be a feature that acts as an easy identifier of who he was talking about.oldebiscuit wrote:windermere_royal wrote:The game changed on 2 substitutions for me. taking Kermo off who was holding up the ball well was a crime, they bring on the tall black guy who creates a goal with his first touch.
Cardiff looked anything but play-off contenders, hit the bar with a great chance in the first half, but created very little after that. John is so f*cking frustrating. should have buried an easy chance after doing all the hard work at the end of the 1st half. 2-0 and we would have won.
Hold your hands up Brian. you f*cked up again. I am yet to be convinced by his return.
And yes the ref was shit again.
Out of interest, why did you have to point out that the tall guy who creates a goal with his first touch was 'black'?
Is referring to a black person as black now offensive? Or are you just one of them people that likes the whole offended on behalf of someone else thing?oldebiscuit wrote:windermere_royal wrote:The game changed on 2 substitutions for me. taking Kermo off who was holding up the ball well was a crime, they bring on the tall black guy who creates a goal with his first touch.
Cardiff looked anything but play-off contenders, hit the bar with a great chance in the first half, but created very little after that. John is so f*cking frustrating. should have buried an easy chance after doing all the hard work at the end of the 1st half. 2-0 and we would have won.
Hold your hands up Brian. you f*cked up again. I am yet to be convinced by his return.
And yes the ref was shit again.
Out of interest, why did you have to point out that the tall guy who creates a goal with his first touch was 'black'?
Tbf, would he have said "tall white guy" if he was white?Winston Smith wrote:Is referring to a black person as black now offensive? Or are you just one of them people that likes the whole offended on behalf of someone else thing?oldebiscuit wrote:windermere_royal wrote:The game changed on 2 substitutions for me. taking Kermo off who was holding up the ball well was a crime, they bring on the tall black guy who creates a goal with his first touch.
Cardiff looked anything but play-off contenders, hit the bar with a great chance in the first half, but created very little after that. John is so f*cking frustrating. should have buried an easy chance after doing all the hard work at the end of the 1st half. 2-0 and we would have won.
Hold your hands up Brian. you f*cked up again. I am yet to be convinced by his return.
And yes the ref was shit again.
Out of interest, why did you have to point out that the tall guy who creates a goal with his first touch was 'black'?
It's not offensive, but the fact that the colour of some ones skin still stands out as 'interesting' in this day and age is a little odd.Winston Smith wrote:Is referring to a black person as black now offensive? Or are you just one of them people that likes the whole offended on behalf of someone else thing?oldebiscuit wrote:windermere_royal wrote:The game changed on 2 substitutions for me. taking Kermo off who was holding up the ball well was a crime, they bring on the tall black guy who creates a goal with his first touch.
Cardiff looked anything but play-off contenders, hit the bar with a great chance in the first half, but created very little after that. John is so f*cking frustrating. should have buried an easy chance after doing all the hard work at the end of the 1st half. 2-0 and we would have won.
Hold your hands up Brian. you f*cked up again. I am yet to be convinced by his return.
And yes the ref was shit again.
Out of interest, why did you have to point out that the tall guy who creates a goal with his first touch was 'black'?
Football - its a simple game.tmesis wrote:Things we need to work on when on the break
1) when a teammate has the ball and is running forwards, run into a space so you can be passed to, rather than trying to run into you own player
2) when you try to pass to a player in space, try to pass to where you think he'll be when he makes his run, not where he was before he made his run
3) when a winger is on a break and looking to cross the ball into the box, it helps to run towards their goal, into the penalty area, rather than jogging over the halfway line.
4) if a player has made a break into the box, and is looking to cut the ball back, try to move into a space to be able to receive the ball, rather than standing still and just waiting for your teammate to lose the ball.
Lets say it was Peter Crouch instead of the player, and the poster didn't know his name. Would saying "the tall white lad" be deemed offensive?genome wrote:Tbf, would he have said "tall white guy" if he was white?Winston Smith wrote:Is referring to a black person as black now offensive? Or are you just one of them people that likes the whole offended on behalf of someone else thing?oldebiscuit wrote:
Out of interest, why did you have to point out that the tall guy who creates a goal with his first touch was 'black'?
I think we just read windermere's post in very different ways. I thought he was just describing someone's looks.oldebiscuit wrote:It's not offensive, but the fact that the colour of some ones skin still stands out as 'interesting' in this day and age is a little odd. Myself, I just saw 22 players.Winston Smith wrote:Is referring to a black person as black now offensive? Or are you just one of them people that likes the whole offended on behalf of someone else thing?oldebiscuit wrote:
Out of interest, why did you have to point out that the tall guy who creates a goal with his first touch was 'black'?
Agree with your first sentence and most of the rest except Williams. To me he is a bit of a headless chicken, if he could look up occasionally and maybe look to pass to his teammates then maybe there is a footballer in there somewhere. Unil then, meh! Would be happy to unload him off the wage bill and see what George Evans can do next season.marlowuk wrote:Strange how opinions vary so much by those of us at the game. For me this was the best performance from us for a long time. There was more passion, more togetherness from the squad and fewer unforced errors. Yes we should have won comfortably and missed two (I think) open goals but we were also playing against an awful referee!!
One thing most of us agree with is that McShane was MOTM. Great to see G Mac get a goal (brilliantly taken!) after which he visibly grew in confidence. Ola John plays with such enthusiasm it is difficult to criticise his finishing but really ....
Taylor was OK but I'm not sure why Obita was dropped. I though Jordan had done pretty well against some tricky wingers recently (Zaha and Sessignon for example) and he seemed to be building a good understanding with OJ. Hector had a good game but Cooper seems to think he is Hector and lingers on the ball too long at times. Gunter was Gunter.
Quinn had a pretty forgettable 1st half but improved in the 2nd and I was pleased to see Williams back - he didn't disappoint. Kermorgant was in the game more today. He was the assist for our goal and nearly scored from a delightful through ball from OJ. The defender gave a slight tug on his shirt which was just enough to enable the keeper to smother the shot. He went off the boil as the second half wore on so I don't criticise BM for subbing him. Vydra did OK and would have scored but for a reaction save from Moore.
All in all, though, a frustrating game and I hope HRK isn't badly injured.
Well given it was a double sub and one was white and one was black and the poster may not have known their names then I think saying "the black guy" (when specifically referring to the subs) is totally acceptable and not offensive.genome wrote:Whether it's offensive or not is beside the point, it's just a bit weird to specify that he was a black person
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