A33

[The 17 Bus]

Longer term it has to be less car parking at the actual ground, if that is ever possible, I suppose we could hope that The Pru may allow parking at the shiney new offices that are to replace the speedway, if they ever get built. Which has to be unlikely.

[PieEater]

It is funny how people totally change their pedestrian habits simply becasue they are exiting a football stadium. I'll bet few, if any, of them would normally cross diagonally over a roundabout and ignore all the cars trying to get round it; yet wait for the end of a match at the Madejski and there they go down to the bottom of the hill at the back of the East Stand and straight over the roundabout. It is hardly surprising that car drivers get a touch frustrated by the roundabout being locked up by parents thrusting their kids into the road in order to stop the traffic (and then looking furiously at you when you nearly hit the little blighters who they have risked in that manner). I know, it isn't just at the Madejski, it is everywhere where there are football fans and a road - but that is my little rant and I am going to get it off my chest!

Often the pavements are rammed with people so you are forced into the road. Exactly why do you think you should have right of way over 1000 people when other traffic movements are restricted. I get a tad frustrated by pcunts such as you thinking its ok to force your way through crowds of people just because you think you have the right of way.

[rabidbee]

I guess it depends whether or not the parking at the stadium is a huge money spinner for the club. If they pocket the (bulk of the) cash, they're not going to want to reduce the numbers parking there.

[The 17 Bus]

Originally the planning said that the car park could be cleared fast, and same for pedestrians, I just hope they dont use the same designers next time, as they were blatantly wrong from day one.

How about the club make the pedestrian walkway down the B&Q end wider, just needs the bank cutting into, and a retaining wall built, that would be a start.

[coyrls]

.......I just hope they dont use the same designers next time

Indeed, who could forget the functional and safe stairway down the bank behind the East stand? I think it lasted 2 games before it was closed and later demolished. How did that get off the drawing board?

[Jerry St Clair]

Indeed, who could forget the functional and safe stairway down the bank behind the East stand? I think it lasted 2 games before it was closed and later demolished. How did that get off the drawing board?

That was quite unbelievable. Did RBC see that before they issued the safety certificate?

As far as I recall it was just a straight flight of concrete steps with a handrail down the middle and on either side, with no restrictions of pedestrian flow at the top or bottom, and with no "kinks" in the flow down the slope as you see on most similar stairways. And I guess it had to cope with about 50% of the people coming out of the East Stand after a game. A death trap just waiting to be triggered.

[Jerry St Clair]

[SLAMMED]

Shirley these people most be actors. Single file and holding hand rails! Doesnt look like typical Reading fans to me.

to add to the stadium car park. Who ever designed it should be shot point blank wth a shot gun. At one of the exits, there is enough space for one car to fit hrough, but about 6 or 7 queues of traffic all funneling into the same space.

God knows what would have happened if the expansion went ahead.

[Sun Tzu]

God knows what would have happened if the expansion went ahead.

Nothing, you can;t get any more cars into an already full car park !

In fact I believe the plans reduced the car park space becasue they were planning on 100 buses. Not that anyone had any idea where they would get 100 buses from !

[rob the royal]

It is funny how people totally change their pedestrian habits simply becasue they are exiting a football stadium. I'll bet few, if any, of them would normally cross diagonally over a roundabout and ignore all the cars trying to get round it; yet wait for the end of a match at the Madejski and there they go down to the bottom of the hill at the back of the East Stand and straight over the roundabout. It is hardly surprising that car drivers get a touch frustrated by the roundabout being locked up by parents thrusting their kids into the road in order to stop the traffic (and then looking furiously at you when you nearly hit the little blighters who they have risked in that manner). I know, it isn't just at the Madejski, it is everywhere where there are football fans and a road - but that is my little rant and I am going to get it off my chest!

Often the pavements are rammed with people so you are forced into the road. Exactly why do you think you should have right of way over 1000 people when other traffic movements are restricted. I get a tad frustrated by pcunts such as you thinking its ok to force your way through crowds of people just because you think you have the right of way.

not sure if it's still the case but in singapore the pedestrian has/had complete right of way over the cars and it is/was up to drivers to be aware, the moment you step off the pavement the law protects you from the cars/liability i think that's the way it should be.

[West Stand Man]

It is funny how people totally change their pedestrian habits simply becasue they are exiting a football stadium. I'll bet few, if any, of them would normally cross diagonally over a roundabout and ignore all the cars trying to get round it; yet wait for the end of a match at the Madejski and there they go down to the bottom of the hill at the back of the East Stand and straight over the roundabout. It is hardly surprising that car drivers get a touch frustrated by the roundabout being locked up by parents thrusting their kids into the road in order to stop the traffic (and then looking furiously at you when you nearly hit the little blighters who they have risked in that manner). I know, it isn't just at the Madejski, it is everywhere where there are football fans and a road - but that is my little rant and I am going to get it off my chest!

Often the pavements are rammed with people so you are forced into the road. Exactly why do you think you should have right of way over 1000 people when other traffic movements are restricted. I get a tad frustrated by pcunts such as you thinking its ok to force your way through crowds of people just because you think you have the right of way.

Oh joy. A response!

Actually, I do have right of way on the roundabout. That is the law I think you'll find. It doesn't allow me to plough down the half wits who thrust their kids into my path I know, but that doesn't excuse their stupidity. I have often been one of those pedestrians when I park other than at Costco, and it is untrue to say that you are forced to walk over the roundabout, there is oodles of room to walk around it and cross elsewhere.

Anyway, it was a rant not a serious debating issue so I am going back to my little hidey hole now.

[Matt de K]

What about all the mummies and daddies that pick up their Y26ers on the round-about at the bottom of the hill - what with that and all the buses the other side of the roundabout it's no wonder pedestrians walk accross the roundabout

[The Real Sandhurst Royal]

At present the pedestrian crossing timings on the lights on the A33 go to RED as soon as someone presses the button. If the timing was to be adjusted to a longer delay period the traffic would possibly flow in / out much better.

[Wycombe Royal]

Fair enough, although presumably after 15 minutes enough people will have left that it should be possible to walk easily down the pavements, so it only needs lollipop stewards at the pedestrian crossings.

It would be easy to walk down the pavements if the stewards don't force you to the side where there is no pavement so that the coaches can leave.

[Thaumagurist*]

IIRC, that was about wide enough for two people, so, it wasn't surprising that it was rammed with people. If it had been much much wider for perhaps 30 people, then it would have been fine.

[Dirk Gently]

IIRC, that was about wide enough for two people, so, it wasn't surprising that it was rammed with people. If it had been much much wider for perhaps 30 people, then it would have been fine.

Except at night, or if it was wet and/or frosty.

[Skyline]

One of the big problems that no-one's mentioned yet, is where they park the town centre buses, in the big layby down Hoops Way. As a result of having them there, the road out of the car parks is reduced from two lanes to one until it gets to the roundabout, so folks waiting for the buses can queue in the road. If they could move those buses somewhere else it would cut down on the numbers of pedestrians trying to use the same road as the cars coming out of the car park, and also mean they wouldn't need the single-lane stretch, which currently something like four lanes of traffic are trying to get through.

[Dirk Gently]

One of the big problems that no-one's mentioned yet, is where they park the town centre buses, ....

Fourth post on page one of this thread....

[Skyline]

Ah, indeed. Although I'd've said the 'Green Park roundabout' is the one on the A33 that Green Park connects to, not the one in the stadium environs that is nearest to Green Park, which is probably why it didn't twig that that was what you were referring to.

Still, I think the point stands.

[RoyalBlue]

Possibly not the most constructive observation, but it's a shame that they didn't make the pedestrian routes and the roads completely separate.

Agreed - one of the things where hindsight would be wonderful!

On the other hand 'planning' would have avoided the need for hindsight!