England vs Germany - THE BUILD UP THREAD

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Germany didn’t just outclass England, they offered a template for what England must seek to become.

Haven't we been saying this for forty years? I blame Peter Bonetti.

[Gus the teenage cow]

I knew that when people were actually positive and hopeful after the Slovenian game, and actually talking up a seriously average performance that England were in serious trouble,.... when they played to the same level of performance against Slovenia they were lionhearts and Capello was a master tactician, a funny old game eh.

If I were you I'd see a doctor about those voices you clearly hear in your head.

it's called your media mate and they're absolute fcuking clowns but it doesn't disguise from the fact that your teams just not very good

[Dirk Gently]

And Sepp Blatter can do one. If EVERYONE appears to be asking for this technology, why should he decree that FIFA aren't going to use it?

Actually, Blatter's getting a bad press on this. It's not just him to blame.

There was a trial with goal line technology - one of the trial sites was actually Hogwood, and RFC Academy matches - by all accounts it worked superbly and gave an buzz in the ref's earpiece within 0.5 seconds of the ball crossing the line.

The further trial/introduction of it was discussed and the next annual meeting of IFAB (International Football Association Board) - the organisation that makes the rules - it had 8 voting members - 4 from FIFA, plus the FAs from England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland (since we wrote the laws in the first place). At that meeting the voting was 5-3 against further trials - those who voted against it were FIFA (4 votes) plus (I think) Scotland.

Instead they decided to go for an extra two refs, on the goalline, with trials in the UEFA League. The argument is that it will mean that the equipment used is the same at all levels of the game, worldwide - and admirable aim, but in my book they drove a coach and horses through that principle when they gave refs and linesmen radio headsets.

[Royalee]

I'd forgotten there were 5 officials readily available for every game at park level. Bore off Blatter.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

I knew that when people were actually positive and hopeful after the Slovenian game, and actually talking up a seriously average performance that England were in serious trouble,.... when they played to the same level of performance against Slovenia they were lionhearts and Capello was a master tactician, a funny old game eh.

If I were you I'd see a doctor about those voices you clearly hear in your head.

it's called your media mate and they're absolute fcuking clowns but it doesn't disguise from the fact that your teams just not very good

And you read these reports of england being world beaters, I take it, rather than just assuming they must have been said, as that what the England media always says, apparently?

[floyd__streete]

And you read these reports of england being world beaters, I take it, rather than just assuming they must have been said, as that what the England media always says, apparently?

I can't say I have personally read anything more jingoistic than 'these players play in one of the top leagues in the world, so if they can get their game together they can have a good chance of competing', but I guess that doesn't necessarily fit into the agenda of our Irish correspondent. Gus, literally no-one in England is surprised that Germany won.

[frimmers3]

certain posters on this portal view the fourth estate with disdain. they shall,of course,remain incognito.

[RoyalChicagoFC]

I said it at the beginning of the tournament and I'll say it again now, we should look to play players from the Championship - they are far more likely to play with pride and passion for their country.

You want England to become, in short, the United States

Would never end well of course, but hey --at least everybody'd all go to Dairy Queen for a treat afterwards!

[papereyes]

3. Yep that was poked at him with no power on it as the defense in front did all they could to block it and not allow a free shot from 10 yards.

Again though, James has to give himself the best chance of saving this shot, with that sort of angle and position on the field, I'd say 7 or 8/10 the striker goes across you, so your first instinct thought is to go to your right, which James did. The ball was then absolutely creamed to the other side and there was no way he could readjust. It's one of those chances where if James waits for the bloke to strike that before he tries to ave it, it's passed him in a flash. He has to almost gamble he goes to his right.

There is no way that goal was his fault either.

Muller glanced up across James before aiming for the near post, as well.

FWIW, I shall not write much but just imply that I may have said very similar things in 04, 06 and 08

[Gordons Cumming]

Was I the only one that noticed Germany letting us have possession for long periods and hitting us on the break?

I noticed this very early on and suggested we could have rectified this a bit by playing a little deeper and by,yes, playing the long ball a bit.

Why couldn't 6M a year Capello spot this?

Once Germany got the ball their possession of the ball increased.

Basic stuff really.............

[soggy biscuit]

Was I the only one that noticed Germany letting us have possession for long periods and hitting us on the break?

I noticed this very early on and suggested we could have rectified this a bit by playing a little deeper and by,yes, playing the long ball a bit.

Why couldn't 6M a year Capello spot this?

Once Germany got the ball their possession of the ball increased.

Basic stuff really.............

Mueller said last night that that was the tactic Low gave at half time, let England attack as they are throwing many people and leaving it totally open at the back

[No Fixed Abode]

Was I the only one that noticed Germany letting us have possession for long periods and hitting us on the break?

I noticed this very early on and suggested we could have rectified this a bit by playing a little deeper and by,yes, playing the long ball a bit.

Why couldn't 6M a year Capello spot this?

Once Germany got the ball their possession of the ball increased.

Basic stuff really.............

Mueller said last night that that was the tactic Low gave at half time, let England attack as they are throwing many people and leaving it totally open at the back

While that may have been the tactic, you obviously didn't notice how deep England were playing. Even Lawrenson noticed this.

[Gordons Cumming]

Was I the only one that noticed Germany letting us have possession for long periods and hitting us on the break?

I noticed this very early on and suggested we could have rectified this a bit by playing a little deeper and by,yes, playing the long ball a bit.

Why couldn't 6M a year Capello spot this?

Once Germany got the ball their possession of the ball increased.

Basic stuff really.............

Mueller said last night that that was the tactic Low gave at half time, let England attack as they are throwing many people and leaving it totally open at the back

While that may have been the tactic, you obviously didn't notice how deep England were playing. Even Lawrenson noticed this.

They weren't playing deep all the time.........especially on the 3rd goal.

[Barry the bird boggler]

The further trial/introduction of it was discussed and the next annual meeting of IFAB (International Football Association Board) - the organisation that makes the rules - it had 8 voting members - 4 from FIFA, plus the FAs from England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland (since we wrote the laws in the first place). At that meeting the voting was 5-3 against further trials - those who voted against it were FIFA (4 votes) plus (I think) Scotland.

The main reason that this didn't not get the support was cost. Apparently the cost to introduce this, per ground, presented to the FAs was 300-500k which I think is absolutely ludicrous given that a disputed goal of this nature is still a rarity.

Therefore "linesmen" behind the goals would be the cost effective way to proceed.