Category One status

[URZZZZZ]

No more of that 90 min rule bullshit either

[JC]

Does anyone know how many other/which other clubs have a Cat 1 status?

Not sure, probably 90% of the PL and a couple champ. I don't think Newcastle got cat 1 although I might be wrong.

...and Wolves (snigger).

It's actually quite difficult to find a comprehensive list of clubs with Cat 1 status (I haven't despite googling for a few minutes). The best I can come up with is the list of Professional Development League 1 clubs from wikipedia. It definitely contains all the Cat 1 clubs, but also some selected Cat 2 clubs (Newcastle, Reading and WBA were in it last season, for example).

THis might help - see bottom of article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... audit.html

[Barry the bird boggler]

Yeah 2nd of July was like 10 days ago that's ancient history.

If you ran one of the super rich clubs with all their powers and influence would you allow something to be voted for that harmed your club? This isn't an FA policy this is a Premier League policy and who are most valuable to the Premier League? Is it the likes of Manchester United, Chelsea and City or West Brom, Norwich and Reading?

It's a nice little achievement to have and well done for getting it but it isn't revolutionary as they'd have you believe and caution is definitely warranted.

Might I say this is where this whole thing stinks, it comes from the PL not from the FA who are the ones that should be organising and running football in this country. But then that's no surprise esp. if you watched Clark Carlisle's documentary into depression in football last week when David Bernstein said the FA had several initiatives running over depression in football but a) couldn't give any specific details and b) Clark Carlisle wasn't aware of any....

Believe we're still waiting for the proposed overhaul of the FA and subsequent growing of a pair as requested by the government under the financial governance exercise. Not holding my breath....

[Avon Royal]

Cat 1 status is great news.

Well done to all involved.

[Deadlock]

It's actually quite difficult to find a comprehensive list of clubs with Cat 1 status (I haven't despite googling for a few minutes). The best I can come up with is the list of Professional Development League 1 clubs from wikipedia. It definitely contains all the Cat 1 clubs, but also some selected Cat 2 clubs (Newcastle, Reading and WBA were in it last season, for example).

THis might help - see bottom of article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... audit.html

Thanks, though considering they think Wolves are in the Championship I'm not sure how much of the rest can be trusted.

[Yellowcoat]

Wonder how many clubs, who are moaning about only getting £200,000 + as compensation, would have picked up that as a transfer fee for an untried 18 year old in the past.

[JC]

It's actually quite difficult to find a comprehensive list of clubs with Cat 1 status (I haven't despite googling for a few minutes). The best I can come up with is the list of Professional Development League 1 clubs from wikipedia. It definitely contains all the Cat 1 clubs, but also some selected Cat 2 clubs (Newcastle, Reading and WBA were in it last season, for example).

THis might help - see bottom of article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... audit.html

Thanks, though considering they think Wolves are in the Championship I'm not sure how much of the rest can be trusted.

OK try this one then

http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-article ... ls-behind/

[Yellowcoat]

Says we are the 20th club and then lists 21. Would be good to see an authorised list froms ome source.

[sandman]

Wonder how many clubs, who are moaning about only getting £200,000 + as compensation, would have picked up that as a transfer fee for an untried 18 year old in the past.

Before they could at least negotiate and put in certain clauses which meant the fee could conceivably grow. Clubs have turned down significantly more than £209.000 for youngsters in the past and now they don't get that chance.

[Yellowcoat]

Yes but most of those will have been an exception rather than a rule.

[Royal91]

I would have thought the European giants that are Brighton should have got cat 1. O dear what a shame.

[M Brook]

And of course the WBA chairman is blasting it, they don't have Cat 1 status.

Oh yes they do!

[No Fixed Abode]

This categorisation recognises a number of major criteria including the level of our facilities, standard of coaching, education, and our ability to produce players for the first team.
Read more at http://www.readingfc.co.uk/news/article ... Uyb3Mj0.99

Shows how low standards are in this Country then. I've always said we invest far too much money in facilities and not enough on improving coaching. It's about getting a balance. Clubs have spent far too much money on facilities but investment in coaching is where most clubs fail miserably. Reading are doing a fairly decent job with some youth players coming through to the first team. However, technically they're not good enough to compete with the World's best.

[ZacNaloen]

Yeh still well behind Barcelona's methods.

[Green]

This categorisation recognises a number of major criteria including the level of our facilities, standard of coaching, education, and our ability to produce players for the first team.
Read more at http://www.readingfc.co.uk/news/article ... Uyb3Mj0.99

Shows how low standards are in this Country then. I've always said we invest far too much money in facilities and not enough on improving coaching. It's about getting a balance. Clubs have spent far too much money on facilities but investment in coaching is where most clubs fail miserably. Reading are doing a fairly decent job with some youth players coming through to the first team. However, technically they're not good enough to compete with the World's best.

Interesting argument.

Is the suggestion that top coaches won't work over here as the salaries are too low? Where does pay more, presumably we're talking Europe rather than South America?

[Alexander Litvinenko]

This categorisation recognises a number of major criteria including the level of our facilities, standard of coaching, education, and our ability to produce players for the first team.
Read more at http://www.readingfc.co.uk/news/article ... Uyb3Mj0.99

Shows how low standards are in this Country then. I've always said we invest far too much money in facilities and not enough on improving coaching. It's about getting a balance. Clubs have spent far too much money on facilities but investment in coaching is where most clubs fail miserably. Reading are doing a fairly decent job with some youth players coming through to the first team. However, technically they're not good enough to compete with the World's best.

Interesting argument.

Is the suggestion that top coaches won't work over here as the salaries are too low? Where does pay more, presumably we're talking Europe rather than South America?

Is it an argument, or just the usual WUMing?

Theoretically, the standards of coaching at all EPPP Cat 1 academies should be the same, as the coaches are all accredited to the same standard and standards are assessed by an external accreditation body.

Certainly there is a problem with lack of qualified coaches available in the UK, but being accredited to Cat 1 standard means this isn't an issue here - if you haven't got the coaches, you don't get the accreditation.

But overall the fact that coaching in England is poorer than in the world's best is what EPPP is all about - an attempt to standardise coaching to the highest standards available, and get over some of the old problems of kids being taught bad things by school/parents etc; getting them young enough to make a real difference (the golden age is 7 or ; and being able to give them enough coaching to compete with the best.

But any WUMing is lost as the whole point is that ALL EPPP Cat 1 academies coach to the same standards and methods.

[melonhead]

Jem Karacan, Alex Pearce, Simon Church, Gylfi Sigurdsson, Simon Cox, Hal Robson-Kanu, the list goes on and on;

erm.....

[ZacNaloen]

They may be trained to the same standard, but like with teaching, some coaches will be better than others.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

They may be trained to the same standard, but like with teaching, some coaches will be better than others.

Of course - but the aim of it is to try and eliminate any such differences. There are also more coaches and more coaching hours, so that, together with external accreditation and monitoring, should hopefully work to reduce the impact of individual coaches who might not be as good as others.

[No Fixed Abode]

This categorisation recognises a number of major criteria including the level of our facilities, standard of coaching, education, and our ability to produce players for the first team.
Read more at http://www.readingfc.co.uk/news/article ... Uyb3Mj0.99

Shows how low standards are in this Country then. I've always said we invest far too much money in facilities and not enough on improving coaching. It's about getting a balance. Clubs have spent far too much money on facilities but investment in coaching is where most clubs fail miserably. Reading are doing a fairly decent job with some youth players coming through to the first team. However, technically they're not good enough to compete with the World's best.

Interesting argument.

Is the suggestion that top coaches won't work over here as the salaries are too low? Where does pay more, presumably we're talking Europe rather than South America?

Is it an argument, or just the usual WUMing?

Theoretically, the standards of coaching at all EPPP Cat 1 academies should be the same, as the coaches are all accredited to the same standard and standards are assessed by an external accreditation body.

Certainly there is a problem with lack of qualified coaches available in the UK, but being accredited to Cat 1 standard means this isn't an issue here - if you haven't got the coaches, you don't get the accreditation.

But overall the fact that coaching in England is poorer than in the world's best is what EPPP is all about - an attempt to standardise coaching to the highest standards available, and get over some of the old problems of kids being taught bad things by school/parents etc; getting them young enough to make a real difference (the golden age is 7 or ; and being able to give them enough coaching to compete with the best.

But any WUMing is lost as the whole point is that ALL EPPP Cat 1 academies coach to the same standards and methods.

No WUMing.

It's not just coaching which is a problem. People always moan about the poor facilities in this Country and say it's a major reason we have so few World Class players, that's nonsense. The reason is more to do with our lifestyle. For instance, many third World Countries are catching us up rapidly. These children do not have the distraction of Playstations etc and spend every possible minute of the day playing football. They live and breath it. The same with the coaches.

Over here, as soon as a player is in the Youth Side, they're bigging themselves up on Twitter when they could be perfecting their skills out on the practice pitch. Players/coaches over here want the attention and limelight through social media and without actually achieving anything in the game. Joey Barton is a prime example. Tweeting all the time instead of improving his game.

Clubs need to emphasise the importance of practising - instead of just doing the 'minimal' required through training sessions at the club. It's a fundamental lifestyle change which is the key issue.