That's quite an excellent summation of swift tbfArmadillo Roadkill wrote: He did the complicated stuff well, but the easy stuff badly.
Funny indeed. I saw Kelly do very little in possession, and I'm not saying he had a good game. But I didn't see him give it away cheaply by being stupid in our own half, and I did see him win the ball back on multiple occasions. I saw Swift do none of that.CountryRoyal wrote: Kelly 4 - really just doesn’t bring anything to the team at the moment, and hasn’t for a long time. No impact on the game and poor set piece delivery.
Swift 7 - it’s strange how people see the same game. Thought he was by far our best player and the only one demonstrating any quality in any capacity. Good footwork and decent link up play.
Yep, but he is in the team to do the complicated stuff.John Madejski's Wallet wrote:That's quite an excellent summation of swift tbfArmadillo Roadkill wrote: He did the complicated stuff well, but the easy stuff badly.
I was at the point of counting the number of sideway passes Kelly was making in the second half. Baldock was running the line but there was no attempt to play a ball into space to run onto.Snowflake Royal wrote: Kelly
Passes 110
This chalboard thing is fun*Lower West wrote:I was at the point of counting the number of sideway passes Kelly was making in the second half. Baldock was running the line but there was no attempt to play a ball into space to run onto.Snowflake Royal wrote: Kelly
Passes 110
Any stats on McShane. How many times did he push forward, only to go nowhere and pass the ball backwards in the second half.
I bet his pass count was high.
Just watched the goal again and I have no idea what McShane was playing at. Dreadful positioning. Moore not a lot better. Between the two of them they really messed up.Old Man Andrews wrote:Swift was alright today, certainly not someone I'd target as letting us down. Criticism is harsh.
If you want to blame anyone have a look at McShane, Kelly and Meyler. All three were complete passengers and played into Bolton's hands.
McShane has sadly had his day now and it's probably time to to move on now, every dog has it's day.Zip wrote:Just watched the goal again and I have no idea what McShane was playing at. Dreadful positioning. Moore not a lot better. Between the two of them they really messed up.Old Man Andrews wrote:Swift was alright today, certainly not someone I'd target as letting us down. Criticism is harsh.
If you want to blame anyone have a look at McShane, Kelly and Meyler. All three were complete passengers and played into Bolton's hands.
Kelly was playing mostly behind Swift so I’m not surprised he played more forward balls.Snowflake Royal wrote:Funny indeed. I saw Kelly do very little in possession, and I'm not saying he had a good game. But I didn't see him give it away cheaply by being stupid in our own half, and I did see him win the ball back on multiple occasions. I saw Swift do none of that.CountryRoyal wrote: Kelly 4 - really just doesn’t bring anything to the team at the moment, and hasn’t for a long time. No impact on the game and poor set piece delivery.
Swift 7 - it’s strange how people see the same game. Thought he was by far our best player and the only one demonstrating any quality in any capacity. Good footwork and decent link up play.
Swift did prance around a few challenges extremely well. But it never really seemed to amount to anything and he was just as guilty of slowing play down and not passing into the front players. Plus his shooting was godawful. Just thought I'd throw some stats up for the midfielders to see what they show - I've not looked yet, but I'd guess Kelly's pass success, tackles, interceptions and being dispossessed would all be better than Swift and not much difference in key passes. So we'll see what it shows as an objective look at things. Not saying it's definitive or proves anyone wrong.
Swift
Passes 62, key 1, PA 93.6%, crosses 2, accurate 0, long balls 0, through balls 0, shots 3, OT 1
Tackles 0, interceptions 1, clearances 1, dispossessed 4, unsuccessful touches 1
Total positive offensive contributions 2
Total positive defensive contributions 2
Errors 5
Kelly
Passes 110, key 3, PA 93.6%, crosses 4, accurate 1, longballs 7, accurate 4, through balls 0, Shots 1, OT 0,
Tackles 2, interceptions 1, clearances 3, dispossessed 1, unsuccessful touches 2
Total positive offensive contributions 4
Total positive defensive contributions 5
Errors 3
Meyler (LoL)
Passes 51, key 0, PA 86.3%, crosses 2, accurate 2, longballs 3, accurate 0, through balls 0, shots 1, OT 0
Tackles 3, interceptions 0, clearances 0, dispossessed 3, unsuccessful touches 2
Total positive offensive contributions 2
Total positive defensive contributions 3
Errors 5
Bacuna
Passes 29, key 1, PA 82.8%, crosses 0, longballs 3, accurate 0, through balls 0, shots 0
Tackles 1, interceptions 0, clearances 1, dispossessed 2, unsuccessful touches 0
Total positive offensive contributions 1
Total positive defensive contributions 2
Errors 2
It doesn't prove anything by any means, as I said, but it certainly doesn't make me want to change my mind about thinking Kelly played better than Swift. Also, I think I'm using the Whoscored chalkboard right, but according to that, Kelly made 76 forward passes (69%) to Swift's 32 (51%) Just saying.
Oh, and in my defence I was in the South, so couldn't make out a lot of who did what at the North end towards the end. So if Swift created stuff then I may have easily missed it.
It was a typical Kelly performance. Two or three long crossfield balls which were accurate but took us no further forward. Other times where he held onto the ball too long and we lost momentum. There were lots of sideways and short passes which achieved nothing and some poor corners. There was one decent freekick which Moore should have buried. There were two or three decent forward passes into space in the second half but he is not creative and in my view not effective enough to be a regular starter.leon wrote:Kelly was playing mostly behind Swift so I’m not surprised he played more forward balls.Snowflake Royal wrote:Funny indeed. I saw Kelly do very little in possession, and I'm not saying he had a good game. But I didn't see him give it away cheaply by being stupid in our own half, and I did see him win the ball back on multiple occasions. I saw Swift do none of that.CountryRoyal wrote: Kelly 4 - really just doesn’t bring anything to the team at the moment, and hasn’t for a long time. No impact on the game and poor set piece delivery.
Swift 7 - it’s strange how people see the same game. Thought he was by far our best player and the only one demonstrating any quality in any capacity. Good footwork and decent link up play.
Swift did prance around a few challenges extremely well. But it never really seemed to amount to anything and he was just as guilty of slowing play down and not passing into the front players. Plus his shooting was godawful. Just thought I'd throw some stats up for the midfielders to see what they show - I've not looked yet, but I'd guess Kelly's pass success, tackles, interceptions and being dispossessed would all be better than Swift and not much difference in key passes. So we'll see what it shows as an objective look at things. Not saying it's definitive or proves anyone wrong.
Swift
Passes 62, key 1, PA 93.6%, crosses 2, accurate 0, long balls 0, through balls 0, shots 3, OT 1
Tackles 0, interceptions 1, clearances 1, dispossessed 4, unsuccessful touches 1
Total positive offensive contributions 2
Total positive defensive contributions 2
Errors 5
Kelly
Passes 110, key 3, PA 93.6%, crosses 4, accurate 1, longballs 7, accurate 4, through balls 0, Shots 1, OT 0,
Tackles 2, interceptions 1, clearances 3, dispossessed 1, unsuccessful touches 2
Total positive offensive contributions 4
Total positive defensive contributions 5
Errors 3
Meyler (LoL)
Passes 51, key 0, PA 86.3%, crosses 2, accurate 2, longballs 3, accurate 0, through balls 0, shots 1, OT 0
Tackles 3, interceptions 0, clearances 0, dispossessed 3, unsuccessful touches 2
Total positive offensive contributions 2
Total positive defensive contributions 3
Errors 5
Bacuna
Passes 29, key 1, PA 82.8%, crosses 0, longballs 3, accurate 0, through balls 0, shots 0
Tackles 1, interceptions 0, clearances 1, dispossessed 2, unsuccessful touches 0
Total positive offensive contributions 1
Total positive defensive contributions 2
Errors 2
It doesn't prove anything by any means, as I said, but it certainly doesn't make me want to change my mind about thinking Kelly played better than Swift. Also, I think I'm using the Whoscored chalkboard right, but according to that, Kelly made 76 forward passes (69%) to Swift's 32 (51%) Just saying.
Oh, and in my defence I was in the South, so couldn't make out a lot of who did what at the North end towards the end. So if Swift created stuff then I may have easily missed it.
Unfortunately Kelly is fast resembling Danny Guthrie. Gets the ball, pauses, looks around and then either plays a diagonal Hollywood ball that takes ages to land giving the opposition time to get into shape or plays a short pass to a defender or another midfielder in no space at all.
there is an argument that says it’s not Kelly’s fault there are no options it’s the rest of the team. The movement first half was OK. Second half Kelly included it was dreadful.
Not sure about you but I got the feeling his anger on BBC Berks was directed fully at McShane. Think the selection error Clement admitted to making relates to the picking of McShane. Can see him being dropped indefinity and possible removal of captaincy. Quietest I have heard McShane today.Hound wrote:Just seen the goal. Was even worse than I expected. Sunday pub league level defending from a basic move
Awful from Moore and McShane
We will not win games if we defend like that.