Stewards

[PlasticRoyale]

Can't you just sit down and clap? Is that really so hard and the language some of you use is disgusting.

I've sat in the East stand a few times but grew tired of having my view of the game impaired by knuckledraggers standing

[Winchester Royal]

Can't you just sit down and clap? Is that really so hard and the language some of you use is disgusting.

I've sat in the East stand a few times but grew tired of having my view of the game impaired by knuckledraggers standing

Nah, we prefer to stand up and shout. I find that if somebody stands in front of me, the best way to overcome that is to also stand, which elevates my height a good couple of feet, allowing me to see over the person in front's head.

[Rex]

Knuckle draggers. Since when does intelligence have to be shown at football.

[Winchester Royal]

Knuckle draggers. Since when does intelligence have to be shown at football.

I was always under the impression, from the behaviour of both our stewards and former players (Lita in particular), that intelligence was the last thing on anybody's minds...

[Gordons Cumming]

If you want to stand at a football match go and watch Aldershot Town or Fleet or even Bracknell Town (giggle)

[BReal]

had my season ticket taken off me

not read the thread of course but i can never work out how the stewards can take a ST off people.

just dont give it to them ffs, they dont have the right to have you turn your pockets out

[Big Foot]

had my season ticket taken off me

not read the thread of course but i can never work out how the stewards can take a ST off people.

just dont give it to them ffs, they dont have the right to have you turn your pockets out

Season Ticket remains property of the club m8 so they have every right to do so.

[Winchester Royal]

had my season ticket taken off me

not read the thread of course but i can never work out how the stewards can take a ST off people.

just dont give it to them ffs, they dont have the right to have you turn your pockets out

Even if you don't give them the card, they can still deactivate it. Buying a season ticket doesn't give you a divine right to be at the games if he club don't want you there.

[Dirk Gently]

Not doubting you but rather questioning what I would suggest is an extremely loose (possibly less than honest) use of the word 'illegal' in the programme. If it is indeed 'illegal' isn't it somewhat strange that no one appears to have heard of anyone (anywhere) being prosecuted and convicted for the offence of persistently standing in an all seater stadium? There must be some lawyers on HNA, perhaps one of them can confirm whether there is such an offence.

To clarify this, it is illegal, but it's not the individual who is liable to prosecution, and, AFAIK, no individual has ever been prosecuted since there's no statute against them for refusing to follow ground regulations, which is what persistent standing counts as. What people get clubs bans, prosecutions and even FBOs for is the aftermath of standing - refusing to do as the stewards say, resisting eviction, foul and abusive language, etc.

A club which allows persistent standing (which is slightly different from a club which is unable to prevent it but does take reasonable steps to do so) will have their safety licence from the local authority withdrawn and thus be unable to operate - that's where the law is involved, rather than in terms of penalising individuals.

[RoyalBlue]

Not doubting you but rather questioning what I would suggest is an extremely loose (possibly less than honest) use of the word 'illegal' in the programme. If it is indeed 'illegal' isn't it somewhat strange that no one appears to have heard of anyone (anywhere) being prosecuted and convicted for the offence of persistently standing in an all seater stadium? There must be some lawyers on HNA, perhaps one of them can confirm whether there is such an offence.

To clarify this, it is illegal, but it's not the individual who is liable to prosecution, and, AFAIK, no individual has ever been prosecuted since there's no statute against them for refusing to follow ground regulations, which is what persistent standing counts as. What people get clubs bans, prosecutions and even FBOs for is the aftermath of standing - refusing to do as the stewards say, resisting eviction, foul and abusive language, etc.

A club which allows persistent standing (which is slightly different from a club which is unable to prevent it but does take reasonable steps to do so) will have their safety licence from the local authority withdrawn and thus be unable to operate - that's where the law is involved, rather than in terms of penalising individuals.

Thanks for the clarification. Either way, not a criminal offence then. Also very (deliberate?) misleading use of the word illegal in the programme. Presumably intended to try to scare supporters into not standing.

[Jerry St Clair]

A club which allows persistent standing (which is slightly different from a club which is unable to prevent it but does take reasonable steps to do so) will have their safety licence from the local authority withdrawn and thus be unable to operate - that's where the law is involved, rather than in terms of penalising individuals.

Which clubs have had safety licenses withdrawn?

[Royalshow]

A club which allows persistent standing (which is slightly different from a club which is unable to prevent it but does take reasonable steps to do so) will have their safety licence from the local authority withdrawn and thus be unable to operate - that's where the law is involved, rather than in terms of penalising individuals.

Which clubs have had safety licenses withdrawn?

haha when would that ever happen ....ever? stupid law meant to be broken end of.

[Sharpy]

ipshit stewards were up there also....chucked out a geezer near top at half time for doing oxf*rd all

[Sun Tzu]

Thanks for the clarification. Either way, not a criminal offence then. Also very (deliberate?) misleading use of the word illegal in the programme. Presumably intended to try to scare supporters into not standing.

Isn't that you misusing words rather than Dirk ?

Something can be illegal without being a 'criminal' offence surely ?

[WoodleyRoyal]

Why is everyone allowed to stand at half time is that not persistant standing?

[prostak]

ipshit stewards were up there also....chucked out a geezer near top at half time for doing oxf*rd all

I noticed that, from the very back row. What did they even accuse him of?
Still, consider this - last time I was in Ipswich, I thought about going in to watch whichever game was at Portman Road that day. It was about 10 minutes in, so I asked one of the stewards outside the ground who was playing. He replied, bold and happy, 'Ipswich'. At least we're not dealing with that level of thick.

[Dirk Gently]

A club which allows persistent standing (which is slightly different from a club which is unable to prevent it but does take reasonable steps to do so) will have their safety licence from the local authority withdrawn and thus be unable to operate - that's where the law is involved, rather than in terms of penalising individuals.

Which clubs have had safety licenses withdrawn?

None, although a few clubs have come very, very, close to having stands closed.

But essentially it all goes to further reinforce just how badly-thought out and unenforceable the current legislation is.

[Dirk Gently]

Why is everyone allowed to stand at half time is that not persistant standing?

Statistically, the most dangerous times at football matches are when people are entering and leaving, not during the matches.

Similarly, the most frequent cause of injury at football matches is "scalding by hot liquids" - but I see no legislation prohibiting the sale of tea and coffee at matches.

[Sun Tzu]

A club which allows persistent standing (which is slightly different from a club which is unable to prevent it but does take reasonable steps to do so) will have their safety licence from the local authority withdrawn and thus be unable to operate - that's where the law is involved, rather than in terms of penalising individuals.

Which clubs have had safety licenses withdrawn?

None, although a few clubs have come very, very, close to having stands closed.

But essentially it all goes to further reinforce just how badly-thought out and unenforceable the current legislation is.

Surely both Leeds and Man Utd have had areas closed temporarily as a result of persistant standing ?

[Dirk Gently]

Which clubs have had safety licenses withdrawn?

None, although a few clubs have come very, very, close to having stands closed.

But essentially it all goes to further reinforce just how badly-thought out and unenforceable the current legislation is.

Surely both Leeds and Man Utd have had areas closed temporarily as a result of persistant standing ?

I don't think it quite got that far at either - ISTR that there was horse-trading and reductions in allocation as a compromise.