World Cup Play-Offs

[1871 Royal]

Exactly, you might not score when you are given offside and you actually are onside, you may miss or the keeper could save it! If the ball has crossed the line, its a goal, no variables.

[soggy biscuit]

Modern day football breeds a culture of dishonesty, can't see why anyone is really that surprised over this incident.

[sandman]

As was said in one of the papers this morning a revolution of fair play must start somewhere and for me this is the place to start. Unfortunately FIFA are too obsessed about the Iraqi FA and other matters to care about a on-field issue like this.

Maybe if people stopped avoiding the issue it would help.

A 'fair play' revolution' need have nothng to do with FIFA, UEFA, the FA or any other body.

They can have initiatives and campaigns for ever without it having any effect.

The people who need to do something or managers and players. They are the ones who cheat, or condone cheating. If one manager in a top game subbed a player who had cheated and made it clear that was what he had one, or if players stopped appealing for things they knew were not theirs, and stopped diving, and handling the ball then the problem is solved. It would have to happen in that way to have any effect, but of course it never will because there isn;t the will amongst those who play the game for it to happen.

Pointing fingers at FIFA etc is a cop out. Maybe if fans started booing cheats (especially if they play for there own side !)....

FIFA and it's members govern the sport not fans. Every fan in the country told Eduardo what they thought of him. It was UEFA who let him off. Not to say the fans can't have their say but no one other than the people who run the game can really affect change.

[PEARCEY]

Modern day football breeds a culture of dishonesty, can't see why anyone is really that surprised over this incident.

There's been a culture of dishonesty for a good few decades now...its not a recent thing.

[Victor Meldrew]

Modern day football breeds a culture of dishonesty, can't see why anyone is really that surprised over this incident.

There's been a culture of dishonesty for a good few decades now...its not a recent thing.

Modern day life sadly has a culture of dishonesty-football just reflects modern day life IMHO.

[Tails]

Modern day football breeds a culture of dishonesty, can't see why anyone is really that surprised over this incident.

There's been a culture of dishonesty for a good few decades now...its not a recent thing.

Modern day life sadly has a culture of dishonesty-football just reflects modern day life IMHO.

So life has never had a culture of dishonesty until now? I'd argue that has more to do with the increasing degree of professionalism in the game - the cost/reward of success over most other factors. We have far superior quality (amongst other things) to admire and enjoy; it just comes at a cost.

[Sun Tzu]

Interestingly rugby started as a sport when William Webb Ellis cheated at football !

If only they had video technology in the Victorian era !

[Row Z Royal]

Interestingly rugby started as a sport when William Webb Ellis cheated at football !

Interestingly, that's an urban myth.



Or so some other myth told me.

[Sun Tzu]

As was said in one of the papers this morning a revolution of fair play must start somewhere and for me this is the place to start. Unfortunately FIFA are too obsessed about the Iraqi FA and other matters to care about a on-field issue like this.

Maybe if people stopped avoiding the issue it would help.

A 'fair play' revolution' need have nothng to do with FIFA, UEFA, the FA or any other body.

They can have initiatives and campaigns for ever without it having any effect.

The people who need to do something or managers and players. They are the ones who cheat, or condone cheating. If one manager in a top game subbed a player who had cheated and made it clear that was what he had one, or if players stopped appealing for things they knew were not theirs, and stopped diving, and handling the ball then the problem is solved. It would have to happen in that way to have any effect, but of course it never will because there isn;t the will amongst those who play the game for it to happen.

Pointing fingers at FIFA etc is a cop out. Maybe if fans started booing cheats (especially if they play for there own side !)....

FIFA and it's members govern the sport not fans. Every fan in the country told Eduardo what they thought of him. It was UEFA who let him off. Not to say the fans can't have their say but no one other than the people who run the game can really affect change.

Of course only the Rules board can change the rules but that entirely misses the point.

This isn't about rules as such, it's about the culture of the game. And the people who can affect that most directly and fundamentally are the players, managers and fans.

real change should come from within the game. It seems naive to think that any campaign imposed from the top would have any effect if the participants hadn;t already decided that change was needed.

[Sun Tzu]

Interestingly rugby started as a sport when William Webb Ellis cheated at football !

Interestingly, that's an urban myth.



Or so some other myth told me.

apparantly so, but then the whole debate around video technology is based (IMHO) on misconception, poorly thought through ideas and myth so quite an appropriate anecdote !

[soggy biscuit]

Why should football have to change its structure so significantly just to compensate for cheating, surely the easiest way of sorting this out is to deal with the 'cheats' and try and breed a culture of honesty into the next generations players?

[AF1]

Just seen the Keane interview i full and i agree with a lot of the stuff he says, yes he's got something against the FAI but comments about the defending of the goal and the chances they missed along with the lucky pen against Georgia give a good case.

Utter nonce sence I'm afraid

He has no idea wat was actually said in the dressing room and his assertion that if he had been there he'd be laying into the keeper and defence about the goal when the front line missed a host of chances shows how clueless he is.

In addition wtf does the georgia penaly have to do with anything benefiting from a bad refereeing decision is not the same as cheating and is as ridonkulous as those on here suggesting Readings ghost goal at watford was in any way comparable to what Henry did.

Finally bitching about the FAIs appeal is a bit naive IMO. I'd wager the appeal was done to cover their arses rather than in any actual hope or expectation of success. Imagine the headlines in 3 or six months time if the FAI had done nothing then some smart arse at FIFA or the French FA turned round and said 'Well we'd have considered a replay but the Irish never asked'

Keanes just a little bitch who cant get over being jilted and frankly you'd think he'd have better things to worry about.

[TBM]

LOL - seriously, this cant be true

Cleaners in Ireland have decided their Henry vacuum cleaners really suck - after Thierry Henry's handball ended the nation's World Cup dream. Angry workers can't bear to look at the smiley-faced machines. Some have painted out the word "Henry" while others have daubed over its cheerful face.

[readingbedding]

Wasn't there a pub somewhere in England that had an effigy of Beckham hanging from a noose after the 1998 World Cup?

Classy.

[readingbedding]

And Keane is right.
Get over it.
It's boring.
Although his anti FAI tirade is boring too.
Perhaps do what I say, not what I do...

[Thaumagurist*]

The Airy Laundry considered quitting.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 373804.stm

Oh diddums, did he get worked up on Friday because he couldn't handle being called a cheat?

I see he considered quitting after the World Cup in 2006. Was it because he was also accused of being a cheat by diving against the Spanish?

[Gus the teenage cow]

The Airy Laundry considered quitting.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 373804.stm

Oh diddums, did he get worked up on Friday because he couldn't handle being called a cheat?

I see he considered quitting after the World Cup in 2006. Was it because he was also accused of being a cheat by diving against the Spanish?

he's great isn't he?

he sits down with dunne on the final whistle saying he couldn't help it, it was instinctive etc when clearly he handled it twice

he then releases a statement saying france should replay AFTER fifa and the cowards in the fff have run away scared and ruled it out

then he says he considering retiring but AFTER ALL he will persevere and play in the world cup he cheated his way to

Really the guy has turned into a walking equivocation, a PR machine, a spin merchant, a propoganda king, a spoofer...hus latest self-pitying comments WHILE AGAIN HE TAKES NO ACTION OF ANY SUBSTANCE have ensured any last bit of credibility and integrity he ever had are well and truly gone in my eyes

[Thaumagurist*]

any last bit of credibility and integrity he ever had are well and truly gone in my eyes

When did he ever have any in the first place?

[TFF]

any last bit of credibility and integrity he ever had are well and truly gone in my eyes

He'll be gutted.

[Tails]

Well one good thing has come out of this....

http://www.jeu-de-main.com/