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[Sutekh]

For the record isn’t the inequality between the PL and the FL over the use of VAR as much about the required refereeing infrastructure being unable to cope as it is about the expense of installation? Don’t the broadcast pictures for each game go to a central point at Stockley Park (in West London) where teams of “referees” review each game incident and make contact with the match officials from there, so if that was increased to cover 46 games every weekend it might get very expensive as well as “technologically interesting”.

[Snowflake Royal]

All of the match officials are of the same level, but why does it matter if the facilities or aids available to officials are different between different matches?

The teams aren't competing with the others in all the other cup matches like they would in a league. They're only competing against the team that they're playing in that individual cup tie, who will, by definition, have exactly the same conditions, officials and everything else.

So why is this important?

Ok, you can disagree.

I don't think it is a level playing field for one club to get through to the next round thanks to VAR correcting a mistake whilst another club misses out because there was no VAR to correct a mistake for them. It can affect who one team meets in the next round too.

You wouldn’t have a league/division operating with VAR at some grounds and not others, I see it as the same thing. You don't, that's fine.

Fair enough.

So you're replacing VAR correcting a mistake whilst another club misses out because there was no VAR to correct a mistake with the potential for mistakes at any match, especially with GLT which is much simpler and more objective than VAR.

In my book it's just the way it is in cup ties. Some are played in swirling wind and rain, some aren't; some are played on non-league mudbaths and some on PL pitches; some are played on a Saturday at 3pm and some on a Tuesday at 8pm; some are played after the draw for the next round is made and some aren't. And each tie is a mini-competition that exists in isolation of all the other matches.

I'd be interested on the cost benefit analysis of GLT, my initial reaction is it should be pretty simple to install well down the leagues for use.

But how often is it actually required? Is it worth the cost of the handful of goals a season it might actually affect.

VAR on the other hand, for all its myriad faults, is involved to some degree in pretty much every match that has it.

I'm not sure where the streaming of football stops in terms of level, but if you've got the setup for that, the technology for VAR isn't far off. Even if the staffing capacity is a different matter.

VAR really should be further down the pyramid than the top flight if we're going to use it, and I think we should

[Sutekh]

Ok, you can disagree.

I don't think it is a level playing field for one club to get through to the next round thanks to VAR correcting a mistake whilst another club misses out because there was no VAR to correct a mistake for them. It can affect who one team meets in the next round too.

You wouldn’t have a league/division operating with VAR at some grounds and not others, I see it as the same thing. You don't, that's fine.

Fair enough.

So you're replacing VAR correcting a mistake whilst another club misses out because there was no VAR to correct a mistake with the potential for mistakes at any match, especially with GLT which is much simpler and more objective than VAR.

In my book it's just the way it is in cup ties. Some are played in swirling wind and rain, some aren't; some are played on non-league mudbaths and some on PL pitches; some are played on a Saturday at 3pm and some on a Tuesday at 8pm; some are played after the draw for the next round is made and some aren't. And each tie is a mini-competition that exists in isolation of all the other matches.

I'd be interested on the cost benefit analysis of GLT, my initial reaction is it should be pretty simple to install well down the leagues for use.

But how often is it actually required? Is it worth the cost of the handful of goals a season it might actually affect.

VAR on the other hand, for all its myriad faults, is involved to some degree in pretty much every match that has it.

I'm not sure where the streaming of football stops in terms of level, but if you've got the setup for that, the technology for VAR isn't far off. Even if the staffing capacity is a different matter.

VAR really should be further down the pyramid than the top flight if we're going to use it, and I think we should

On GLT why don’t they have complete touchline technology so officials know when a ball leaves play all over the pitch

[Snowflake Royal]

Fair enough.

So you're replacing VAR correcting a mistake whilst another club misses out because there was no VAR to correct a mistake with the potential for mistakes at any match, especially with GLT which is much simpler and more objective than VAR.

In my book it's just the way it is in cup ties. Some are played in swirling wind and rain, some aren't; some are played on non-league mudbaths and some on PL pitches; some are played on a Saturday at 3pm and some on a Tuesday at 8pm; some are played after the draw for the next round is made and some aren't. And each tie is a mini-competition that exists in isolation of all the other matches.

I'd be interested on the cost benefit analysis of GLT, my initial reaction is it should be pretty simple to install well down the leagues for use.

But how often is it actually required? Is it worth the cost of the handful of goals a season it might actually affect.

VAR on the other hand, for all its myriad faults, is involved to some degree in pretty much every match that has it.

I'm not sure where the streaming of football stops in terms of level, but if you've got the setup for that, the technology for VAR isn't far off. Even if the staffing capacity is a different matter.

VAR really should be further down the pyramid than the top flight if we're going to use it, and I think we should

On GLT why don’t they have complete touchline technology so officials know when a ball leaves play all over the pitch

At a guess, because its easy to wack sensors in the goal posts and maybe cross bar and get good coverage. Its a small area.

Harder to do along the rest of the edge of the pitch. And significant increase in costs for low impact of any potential error.

[Dirk Gently]

Ok, you can disagree.

I don't think it is a level playing field for one club to get through to the next round thanks to VAR correcting a mistake whilst another club misses out because there was no VAR to correct a mistake for them. It can affect who one team meets in the next round too.

You wouldn’t have a league/division operating with VAR at some grounds and not others, I see it as the same thing. You don't, that's fine.

Fair enough.

So you're replacing VAR correcting a mistake whilst another club misses out because there was no VAR to correct a mistake with the potential for mistakes at any match, especially with GLT which is much simpler and more objective than VAR.

In my book it's just the way it is in cup ties. Some are played in swirling wind and rain, some aren't; some are played on non-league mudbaths and some on PL pitches; some are played on a Saturday at 3pm and some on a Tuesday at 8pm; some are played after the draw for the next round is made and some aren't. And each tie is a mini-competition that exists in isolation of all the other matches.

I'd be interested on the cost benefit analysis of GLT, my initial reaction is it should be pretty simple to install well down the leagues for use.

But how often is it actually required? Is it worth the cost of the handful of goals a season it might actually affect.

VAR on the other hand, for all its myriad faults, is involved to some degree in pretty much every match that has it.

I'm not sure where the streaming of football stops in terms of level, but if you've got the setup for that, the technology for VAR isn't far off. Even if the staffing capacity is a different matter.

VAR really should be further down the pyramid than the top flight if we're going to use it, and I think we should

I though GLT was used at every EFL match anyway. In terms of cost, it's just really the initial setup costs. There there are no analysts or labour costs like there are with VAR, just a single fee - and presmably a bit of maintenance/calibration on an ongoing basis.

I always favoured GLT (it's objective, just about a line decision) but didn't like VAR (beacsue it's still essentially a subjective decision , just one being made by someone else). Nothing much has changed in my mind.

[Hendo]

Fair enough.

So you're replacing VAR correcting a mistake whilst another club misses out because there was no VAR to correct a mistake with the potential for mistakes at any match, especially with GLT which is much simpler and more objective than VAR.

In my book it's just the way it is in cup ties. Some are played in swirling wind and rain, some aren't; some are played on non-league mudbaths and some on PL pitches; some are played on a Saturday at 3pm and some on a Tuesday at 8pm; some are played after the draw for the next round is made and some aren't. And each tie is a mini-competition that exists in isolation of all the other matches.

I'd be interested on the cost benefit analysis of GLT, my initial reaction is it should be pretty simple to install well down the leagues for use.

But how often is it actually required? Is it worth the cost of the handful of goals a season it might actually affect.

VAR on the other hand, for all its myriad faults, is involved to some degree in pretty much every match that has it.

I'm not sure where the streaming of football stops in terms of level, but if you've got the setup for that, the technology for VAR isn't far off. Even if the staffing capacity is a different matter.

VAR really should be further down the pyramid than the top flight if we're going to use it, and I think we should

I though GLT was used at every EFL match anyway. In terms of cost, it's just really the initial setup costs. There there are no analysts or labour costs like there are with VAR, just a single fee - and presmably a bit of maintenance/calibration on an ongoing basis.

I always favoured GLT (it's objective, just about a line decision) but didn't like VAR (beacsue it's still essentially a subjective decision , just one being made by someone else). Nothing much has changed in my mind.

GLT is only in Prem and Champ, not lower. League 1 and 2 get it during the Play-Offs.

[Sutekh]

I'd be interested on the cost benefit analysis of GLT, my initial reaction is it should be pretty simple to install well down the leagues for use.

But how often is it actually required? Is it worth the cost of the handful of goals a season it might actually affect.

VAR on the other hand, for all its myriad faults, is involved to some degree in pretty much every match that has it.

I'm not sure where the streaming of football stops in terms of level, but if you've got the setup for that, the technology for VAR isn't far off. Even if the staffing capacity is a different matter.

VAR really should be further down the pyramid than the top flight if we're going to use it, and I think we should

I though GLT was used at every EFL match anyway. In terms of cost, it's just really the initial setup costs. There there are no analysts or labour costs like there are with VAR, just a single fee - and presmably a bit of maintenance/calibration on an ongoing basis.

I always favoured GLT (it's objective, just about a line decision) but didn't like VAR (beacsue it's still essentially a subjective decision , just one being made by someone else). Nothing much has changed in my mind.

GLT is only in Prem and Champ, not lower. League 1 and 2 get it during the Play-Offs.

Now that is retarded.

[Dirk Gently]

I though GLT was used at every EFL match anyway. In terms of cost, it's just really the initial setup costs. There there are no analysts or labour costs like there are with VAR, just a single fee - and presmably a bit of maintenance/calibration on an ongoing basis.

I always favoured GLT (it's objective, just about a line decision) but didn't like VAR (beacsue it's still essentially a subjective decision , just one being made by someone else). Nothing much has changed in my mind.

GLT is only in Prem and Champ, not lower. League 1 and 2 get it during the Play-Offs.

Now that is retarded.

Yep, makes no sense. The savings must be tiny but the benefits of GLT are clear and obvious.

[Hendo]

GLT is only in Prem and Champ, not lower. League 1 and 2 get it during the Play-Offs.

Now that is retarded.

Yep, makes no sense. The savings must be tiny but the benefits of GLT are clear and obvious.

Would imagine that the cost to clubs at the bottom end of League 2/coming up from National League could be quite high in comparison to their budgets.

Additionally, due to the way some stadiums are set-up, there might not be the space/suitable location for all the cameras that are needed.

I'm sure it's a sensible decision, rather than "nah cba, fuck them tiny clubs"

[Snowflake Royal]

GLT is only in Prem and Champ, not lower. League 1 and 2 get it during the Play-Offs.

Now that is retarded.

Yep, makes no sense. The savings must be tiny but the benefits of GLT are clear and obvious.

But if its only called into action 5 times a season per division....

[Dirk Gently]

Now that is retarded.

Yep, makes no sense. The savings must be tiny but the benefits of GLT are clear and obvious.

But if its only called into action 5 times a season per division....

It's not, though. It's continuously monitoring. Every time the ball goes close to the line and it doesn't "beep" it's still doing its job and adding value. And because it's there, the lino and referee can be less vigilant about the goalline and better focus their attention on other aspects of the game.

[Brogue]

Now that is retarded.

Yep, makes no sense. The savings must be tiny but the benefits of GLT are clear and obvious.

Would imagine that the cost to clubs at the bottom end of League 2/coming up from National League could be quite high in comparison to their budgets.

Additionally, due to the way some stadiums are set-up, there might not be the space/suitable location for all the cameras that are needed.

I'm sure it's a sensible decision, rather than "nah cba, fuck them tiny clubs"

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Goal-line technology can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per stadium, plus thousands of dollars per game. The cost varies depending on the technology used.
Cost per stadium
GoalControl: Costs around $260,000 per stadium, plus $3,900 per game
Hawk-Eye: Costs around £250,000 per stadium
Premier League: Cost around $300,000 per stadium to install the technology in 2014
Cost per season
La Liga: Estimated to cost €4 million ($4.3 million) per season
Cost per game
Premier League: Cost around $3,900 per game to run the technology
Cost impact
German Bundesliga: In 2014, most teams voted against the technology due to the cost
Scottish Professional Football League: In 2017, the league said it couldn't afford the technology
Major League Soccer: In 2023, the league ruled out the technology due to the cost
In England, only the Premier League and Championship use goal-line technology throughout the season. It is made available to League One and League Two during the play-offs.

[Hendo]

So potentially quite a considerable amount, especially to League 2 clubs and clubs at the bottom end of League 1.

[Dirk Gently]

Wow! Colour me surprised!!!!

I'd assumed once it was installed, the running costs were minimal.

So when we were relegated to L1, did it get taken out and sold on to a team who came up?

[BRO_BOT]

What has any of this shit got to do with the mighty Utd?

[Hendo]

What has any of this shit got to do with the mighty Utd?

Dunno, probably good preparation for life in League 1 in a couple of years? etc...

[Orion1871]

What has any of this shit got to do with the formerly mighty Utd?

Corrected

[Silver Fox]

So, Rashford isn't washed up wen he's playing for a half decent side then?

[Winston Biscuit]

Great play from Antony for Isco to score. he then got sent off

[BRO_BOT]

Great play from Antony for Isco to score. he then got sent off

Rashford and Antony both had plenty of chances to be consistent.

Antony scored three times in his first couple of games for Utd.

Rashford has had plenty of moments, played in a squad with four top-three finishes, and won several cups. The majority of Utd fans wanted Marcus to do well but got worn down over several seasons of him not performing.

It's far harder to step up and play for Utd. The amount of media pressure is ridiculous compared to other clubs.