Stam is justified in his view, but it doesn't matter what he was trying to say it's how he said it. The great irony is that what he said was just as counterproductive as the negetivity from the fans. He would have been much better served by being a tad more diplomatic and said something like "Were going through a difficult time and it's really important we all pull together and the fans support us like I know they can, we need to all work hard together to get the right results, we need your support" etc. Instead, whilst perfectly honest, he had a child-like outburst which is only going alienate fans, create disharmony and further exacerbate the situation.Top Flight wrote:Your comment is embarrassing. I don't recall Stam blaming anyone. The point Stam was making was that it is counter productive booing the team when they are trying their best to win. It would have been better if we had got behind the team and roared them on to success. Instead some in the crowd just got on their backs in a negative way.mambo3 wrote:Control Freak. His way or no way. It's everyone's else's fault it's not mine. The makings of a top class defender. Not a top class Manager.
Good point.CountryRoyal wrote:Stam is justified in his view, but it doesn't matter what he was trying to say it's how he said it. The great irony is that what he said was just as counterproductive as the negetivity from the fans. He would have been much better served by being a tad more diplomatic and said something like "Were going through a difficult time and it's really important we all pull together and the fans support us like I know they can, we need to all work hard together to get the right results, we need your support" etc. Instead, whilst perfectly honest, he had a child-like outburst which is only going alienate fans, create disharmony and further exacerbate the situation.Top Flight wrote:Your comment is embarrassing. I don't recall Stam blaming anyone. The point Stam was making was that it is counter productive booing the team when they are trying their best to win. It would have been better if we had got behind the team and roared them on to success. Instead some in the crowd just got on their backs in a negative way.mambo3 wrote:Control Freak. His way or no way. It's everyone's else's fault it's not mine. The makings of a top class defender. Not a top class Manager.
It was poor from him. Misguided, short sighted and entirely antagonistic to what he wants to achieve.
Yes, I agree, you are right. The booing was actually for the substitution. Liam Kelly was doing well. He looked our most creative player and then Stam takes him off. I couldn't understand that change in that moment either. I thought what the f*ck is he doing. However, the substitution was purely tactical, and had nothing to do with Kelly's performance. Stam wanted to change formation to a more attacking system. He went 3-4-3. Gunter and Obita were pushed into midfield along with VDB. Tiago, Moore and McShane ran a three man backline. He then had the masterstroke substitution to get Gunter off and bring Bodvarsson on. So the front three became, Aluko, Bodvarsson and Beerens. Obita played Left midfield, McCleary went to Right Midfield. That gave us 7 attacking players and the move paid off. Tactically it was a good change. Stam did well. Hull were extremely negative and very defensive all afternoon, just looking to hit us on the break. They let us have all the possession and they stayed disciplined and well organised.Jagermesiter1871 wrote:Top Flight wrote:Your comment is embarrassing. I don't recall Stam blaming anyone. The point Stam was making was that it is counter productive booing the team when they are trying their best to win. It would have been better if we had got behind the team and roared them on to success. Instead some in the crowd just got on their backs in a negative way.mambo3 wrote:Control Freak. His way or no way. It's everyone's else's fault it's not mine. The makings of a top class defender. Not a top class Manager.
I don't know why our fans think we have the right to turn up against Hull and just easily win the game. Hull are an ex Premier League side packed with experienced quality players. They came to our place with a very defensive mindset. They played one quality striker on his own up front and dropped deep and defended well. They were very well organised and were marshalled by the vastly experienced ex Spurs centre back Dawson. He is a quality player, arguably the best centre half in the Championship. Alongside him they had highly rated Chelsea youngster Michael Hector who is also now very experienced having played in an FA Cup Semi Final with us, the Bundesliga with Frankfurt, the SPL and Championship for a few seasons. Hull know what they are doing and how to defend. They know how to get results.
We actually played some decent stuff when we were chasing the game. We are not far away from being a very decent side again. We absolutely blew away the Villa and Birmingham City a few weeks ago completely outclassing them. Stam will absolutely certainly get it right again. We just have to keep the faith.
1. The boos were primarily for the substitution, not the general performance. The point made by Dellor was that the booing actually seemed to kick the players into gear, suggesting that it can actually be useful.
2. In regards to Hull's defence, you are aware they shipped goals against Derby and have had only one cleansheet all season.
Think you've missed the point here. Stams team is serving up appalling football that isn't getting results.Stranded wrote:So this is the moment, in my view there has been a group of Reading fans who have never taken to Stan, poss. because McD lost his job for him. There has often felt like an undercurrent where these fans have only stayed relatively quiet because results were good.
Now, the first bad spell under Stan and him answering a question about booing and knives are coming out. Sadly predictable.
Does something need to be tweaked to make the team better? yes. Are we far off? no.
Could Stam have answered the question more diplomatically? yes. We're his comments wrong? no. Would he have said something without the question? Most probably not. A decent number of Reading fans have always been quick with the boos and often slow with the praise. It's not like we make the Mad Stad a cauldron of noise before each game is it, even when things are going well.
Bit of a crossroads now, fans can either step up and make more supportive noise - nothing to stop people chanting even during slow build up. Unfortunately, likelihood is the opposite will happen and first mistake will be met with groans.
The team play a confidence system and this confidence is erroding, the fans can help this.
Question is, do we want to be supporters or customers. Some of the complaints here seem to suggest the latter. Yet we complain when we as fans are treated as such.
Big week ahead now.
Fans have never taken to Stam because his style of football is absolute garbage, and he's a bit of pcunt.Stranded wrote:So this is the moment, in my view there has been a group of Reading fans who have never taken to Stan, poss. because McD lost his job for him. There has often felt like an undercurrent where these fans have only stayed relatively quiet because results were good.
Now, the first bad spell under Stan and him answering a question about booing and knives are coming out. Sadly predictable.
Whilst i agree on their roles TF, Stam is only playing down our chances to cover his arse should he fail to improve on last season.Top Flight wrote:Stam's job is take pressure off the team. If the team are being told that they are expected to win the league then that level of pressure will negatively affect their performances. That is all that Stam is concerned about. The players need to feel free from the weight of expectation so that they can go out there and perform.
Ron Gourlays job on the other hand is different. He needs our bums on seats. If he really wants us to shout the team on to victory then he needs to install safe standing rail seats and encourage a noisy atmosphere in the ground. That's the tools the fans need.
Bodvarsson started last week and offered very little, if you had watched him last week you could see why he wasn't picked yesterday. Stam decided to go with the team that started the 2nd half and were a lot better v Brentford. Personally I think we are so much better with 5 at the back however Obita's injury was really didn't help the prospects of this in the next few weeks.MR. CYNICAL wrote:It would of been even more of a masterstroke if Stam had brought Bodvarsson on much earlier, or even started with him! Not sure why no one has mentioned this.
Really? I wouldn't say they have improved, yet; and that's where the frustration lies.robig106 wrote:The booing today was unnecessary as Stam has made it clear his philosophy and style of play, but fans still get on the team's back when they pass it to the goalkeeper or sideways when the players are coached to play this way.
The performances have been fine this season and probably better than most games last season but haven't got the results.
I agree with Stam's comments and feel the management and squad deserve more respect and support from the fans especially after Stam has proven last season what a strong manager he is tactically and strategically.
I wouldn't feel aggrieved if Stam walked out on us as the fans haven't bought into his ideas with low attendances and booing. We don't deserve to have a manager like Stam with the way he is being treated this season and the previous season.
I was hopeful for a good season and I still am, the question was about winning the league. I would rather it was more exciting than it is but that's not going to happen with Stam in charge. He's probably paying for over achieving last year.Lower West wrote:After spending a whole season developing a style of play. I was optimistic that this season the team would move to a higher level of performance. No guarantee of winning but at least a more attractive/entertaining/thrilling style of football to watch. Yet, as an example, we've spent £8 million on a player who doesn't seem to fit into the style of the team. Did Stam choose the player or was he bought for him?peterroyal76 wrote:Does anyone here really believe we're going to win the league?
Why did we sign Popa and Lllori when they aren't even first choice starters.
I wouldn't take much notice of the championship show.PieEater wrote:Stam should listen to the brief highlights on the Championship show, very berating of a poor Reading performance, wondering how Hull didn't secure their first away win of the season and whether any fans had stayed to see the late unexpected equaliser.
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