Stewarding today in Y26

[Svlad Cjelli]

If you can get critical mass to do this then it might work - for one match.

But what you're missing is the fact that any football club has far greater powers over home supporters than they do over away supporters - they have CCTV, a way of identifying you and the ability to take away your member card and stop you coming back for an indeterminate number of matches. They don't have that sort of leverage over away supporters for obvious reasons.

[Rex]

Aside from the loss of support there would be no direct financial effect on restricting ST holders access to furture hme games. Win win for the club.

[RoyalBlue]

If you can get critical mass to do this then it might work - for one match.

But what you're missing is the fact that any football club has far greater powers over home supporters than they do over away supporters - they have CCTV, a way of identifying you and the ability to take away your member card and stop you coming back for an indeterminate number of matches. They don't have that sort of leverage over away supporters for obvious reasons.

You are of course right but the way things are going they may have to start to think a bit more carefully before alienating those who pay to turn up to games on a regular basis. I can't see a stampede for season tickets this summer, particularly if they are stupid enough to increase prices (over possibly the increase in VAT).

[Svlad Cjelli]

If you can get critical mass to do this then it might work - for one match.

But what you're missing is the fact that any football club has far greater powers over home supporters than they do over away supporters - they have CCTV, a way of identifying you and the ability to take away your member card and stop you coming back for an indeterminate number of matches. They don't have that sort of leverage over away supporters for obvious reasons.

You are of course right but the way things are going they may have to start to think a bit more carefully before alienating those who pay to turn up to games on a regular basis. I can't see a stampede for season tickets this summer, particularly if they are stupid enough to increase prices (over possibly the increase in VAT).

Whilst the mentaility is "for every hooligan I ban I attract a family of four" I doubt it.

The whole marketing emphasis at the moment seems to be to create a middle-class paradise and that there is an endless stream of families/females who just need the right conditions in the stadium and the right type of food being sold in the kiosks and then they'll be along in their droves. Nasty, noisy people who stand up and swear are clearly seen as one of the factors keeping these people away.

[Hoop Blah]

The club could start by treating their own fans better.

To see 2 or 3 home fans thrown out against QPR whilst responding to the goading of an away fan is bad enough. When that away fan is spoken to 6 or 7 times without any punishment it just creates more tension and, to be honest, probably turns a few fans off the club if that's the way they're treated.

This, turn a hooligan into a family of 4 rubbish can only go so far. The people that are being kicked out aren't hooligans at all. They're boisterous perhaps, but genuinely causing trouble? Not a chance.

[66DD]

Whilst the mentaility is "for every hooligan I ban I attract a family of four" I doubt it.

The whole marketing emphasis at the moment seems to be to create a middle-class paradise and that there is an endless stream of families/females who just need the right conditions in the stadium and the right type of food being sold in the kiosks and then they'll be along in their droves. Nasty, noisy people who stand up and swear are clearly seen as one of the factors keeping these people away.

I don't see how turning on the middle class and alienating women and families is going to help your cause and criticising the club for wanting to encourage a more family friendly support certainly does not do anything to encourage it to put any pressure it can bear towards altering the status quo. Perhaps you can explain what's wrong with middle class people, families and women attending... unless, of course, the cause is really to go back to the bad old days after all and all rhetoric about safe standing is just a smoke screen?

[Yellowcoat]

Very good point. SC often gives the impression he sides with the thugs in society.

[Rex]

What does discussing the DPA, having a reasoned and balanced dicussion about equality have to do with supporting thugs and hooliganism.

IF the club want to create a friendly environment for families then dedicate an specified area for them. The North Stand, North West corner would be ideal to keep them away from those nasty swearing standing up people in the opposite corner.

[Svlad Cjelli]

Whilst the mentality is "for every hooligan I ban I attract a family of four" I doubt it.

The whole marketing emphasis at the moment seems to be to create a middle-class paradise and that there is an endless stream of families/females who just need the right conditions in the stadium and the right type of food being sold in the kiosks and then they'll be along in their droves. Nasty, noisy people who stand up and swear are clearly seen as one of the factors keeping these people away.

I don't see how turning on the middle class and alienating women and families is going to help your cause and criticising the club for wanting to encourage a more family friendly support certainly does not do anything to encourage it to put any pressure it can bear to wards altering the status quo. Perhaps you can explain what's wrong with middle class people, families and women attending... unless, of course, the cause is really to go back to the bad old days after all and all rhetoric about safe standing is just a smoke screen?

Absolutely not - but all the hooligans at the MadStad were rooted out and banned years ago - and good riddance to them, absolutely!

But the perception appears to remain in certain parts of the club that anyone who is a bit different from their marketing "norm" is a hooligan and should go too - why else would there be such pronounced marketing campaigns targeted at women and families?

And why else would RFC be the only club in the country which has designated the whole stadium as a "family area" - this is contrary to the Football League guidance on this?

Certainly I'm not against the middle-class or families - supporting any football club is a broad church and everyone ought to be welcome. The problem I have at the moment is that it's not - all the marketing initiatives and all the stewarding policies are so skewed in favour of middle class families that everyone who doesn't fit that demographic is in danger of being marginalised, victimised or squeezed out.

[Svlad Cjelli]

Very good point. SC often gives the impression he sides with the thugs in society.

I hope my last post also answers this....

[Yellowcoat]

I agree you write from a position of knowledge and authority but you often seem to give succour to those who just want to flout legislation for their own personal ends, or satisfaction, without any thought for those they might inconvenience such as the disabled or elderly (who have rights too).

[Big Foot]

This is probably the appropriate place to comment that apparently the club sent 2 plain clothed "spotters" to the game yesterday to identify fans standing at away games.

[roadrunner]

This is probably the appropriate place to comment that apparently the club sent 2 plain clothed "spotters" to the game yesterday to identify fans standing at away games.

I've sat next to undercover police at home and away games but never heard of the club sending their own staff to watch for persistent standers at away matches. If we really have done that then the football club really should be investing theirs and our money elsewhere where it's more beneficial, perhaps on the playing staff!

Taken from Wolves local paper, reference their stadium expansion plans:

And, with Wanderers having recently been granted a 999-year lease for Molineux from Wolverhampton City Council, chairman Morgan is determined to build a stadium that not only increases revenue but improves facilities and the overall match day experience for supporters - with fans being brought as close as possible to the pitch to create an intimidating atmosphere.

I wish we had a chairman that thought more like that rather than squeezing in as many women and children and filling their faces with hotdogs and coke to keep them quiet!

[Once were Biscuitmen]

I don't see why we feel the need to go through periodic bouts of self-flagellation on this one.

Our supporter base is pretty much 100% middle Class folks and their families. We are never going to make that much noise; none of: music, no-music, a club song, safe standing, stewarding or the 2nd coming of Robin Friday is going to change that.

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

Simple answer, no ST or match day tickets in the offending block to concessions, then the singers can go and sit where they should have been since day 1 in the stadium which is the North/East corner, or North full stop. Sadly this simple solution has never been adopted, much the same as they could divide the away stand even more, as we rarely use it for home fans they could sell just the middle sections of the divided stand to away fans, thus splitting them in two, with a proper physical barrier down the middle, but once again the club choose not to.

[St Pauli]

I agree you write from a position of knowledge and authority but you often seem to give succour to those who just want to flout legislation for their own personal ends, or satisfaction, without any thought for those they might inconvenience such as the disabled or elderly (who have rights too).

...who can sit in any of the other parts of the ground which aren't Y26 or 25 or in the disabled section.

[Negative_Jeff]

[quote="Big Foot"]This is probably the appropriate place to comment that apparently the club sent 2 plain clothed "spotters" to the game yesterday to identify fans standing at away games. [/quote

This is a wind up Footy, right?
So having been chucked out for persistent standing by the Narch stewards what retribution can I expect from the Tangos at home next week.

[Rex]

Being cast out into the wilds of the North Stand.

[Big Foot]

This is probably the appropriate place to comment that apparently the club sent 2 plain clothed "spotters" to the game yesterday to identify fans standing at away games. [/quote

This is a wind up Footy, right?
So having been chucked out for persistent standing by the Narch stewards what retribution can I expect from the Tangos at home next week.

Was told by 4 different people on the concourse at H/T on Saturday

[RoyalBlue]

This is probably the appropriate place to comment that apparently the club sent 2 plain clothed "spotters" to the game yesterday to identify fans standing at away games. [/quote

This is a wind up Footy, right?
So having been chucked out for persistent standing by the Narch stewards what retribution can I expect from the Tangos at home next week.

Was told by 4 different people on the concourse at H/T on Saturday

If this is true then those in charge at RFC have completely lost their marbles! How many supporters do they want to drive away from the club?