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[Northern Git]

You could be correct Snowball.

But if we are talking about income then two seasons parachute payments should be factored in (£20,000,000?). I would also include the sales of players in the 'income' column as well, as I am sure JM would include the purchase of players in the 'expenditure' column

[Pseud O'Nym]

Dunno why he didn't just say income is bloody awful. Putting a figure on it just asks more questions than it answers. For starters did he mean just the club, or did he mean the holding company?

[Snowball]

I heard the end-part of the interview and in context it seemed "general income"
which I took to mean gates money and hospitality and the shop sales.

As for does he care, to me he came over as sincere and genuinely caring.

He didn't sound like a man who wanted to "dump" Reading FC.

Rather he sounded like someone who wants a bigger-money guy
to come in and take Reading forward in a bigger way.

he did say something like "I intend to be here for a very long time."

[Pseud O'Nym]

I heard the end-part of the interview and in context it seemed "general income"
which I took to mean gates money and hospitality and the shop sales.

As for does he care, to me he came over as sincere and genuinely caring.

He didn't sound like a man who wanted to "dump" Reading FC.

Rather he sounded like someone who wants a bigger-money guy
to come in and take Reading forward in a bigger way.

he did say something like "I intend to be here for a very long time."

The whole thing is downloadable at the top of this page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/readingfc

Personally I had no problem with anything else he said, sounded genuinely upset at the suggestion he didn't care, but you shouldn't quote figures if you're going to provide no context.

[Platypuss]

Look at our last Premiership Season = Average League Home Gate 23,454
and I think a season ticket cost £550 or so. Income = £614,376 per game

This season's average home gate is 17,707 season ticket approx £450 = 346,441 per game

That's a reduction per game of 44% EXCLUDING the massive drop in Hospitality Income.

Lucky that there's 18% more games then.

[Snowball]

Look at our last Premiership Season = Average League Home Gate 23,454
and I think a season ticket cost £550 or so. Income = £614,376 per game

This season's average home gate is 17,707 season ticket approx £450 = 346,441 per game

That's a reduction per game of 44% EXCLUDING the massive drop in Hospitality Income.

Lucky that there's 18% more games then.

Yes four more games, as mentioned elsewhere, with high police and stewarding costs, catering staff,
electricity, etc etc.

Don't the annual reports list Gate Receipts? If so how did we do last year compared to the Prem years (and this year we'll do worse, no doubt)

[Snowball]

If you simply multiply attendances by season ticket price you get a fair approximation of income

23500 550 £12,925,000
17707 450 £07,968,150 61.6%


However, the club, almost selling out every week in the Premiership,
could charge premium prices to non ST Holders.

In the Championship they are discounting and offering deals to try and drag people in

In a blink we can see we are 5 million a year worse off, but I'm sure the reality is much worse

[Ian Royal]

yeah, because 23,000 people paid for adult STs in the Prem. We had 18,000 STHs and I bet at least a good 3000 of them were concessions.

[Southbank Old Boy]

At least using the same process for both seasons makes for a reasonable comparison though

For those concessions you can balance it out with those paying top whack on a match by match basis

[Snowball]

At least using the same process for both seasons makes for a reasonable comparison though

For those concessions you can balance it out with those paying top whack on a match by match basis

Exactly! But don't expect Ian to admit that.

Income = Adult STs + OAP STs + Child STs + non-ST-holder purchases + hospitality etc

but the RATIOs should be similar.

In fact, in the Premiership seasons the club could squeeze the non-ST fans for more.

In the Championship they are doing far more deals to drag us in

[Ian Royal]

But by just going at that rate, when concessions bring the ticket prices down lower, does it not excentuate the differences between the two?

Or is that insignificant?

If only Southdowns hadn't quoted him on another thread I'd have happily ignored whatever he whatever he said without instantly getting riled just because it's him.

[ayjaydee]

The cost of a box in the Prem was around £30k, the company I work for did a deal during last season when we still had a chance of Prem this year at around £16k. They cannot give them away this year. Plus in the Prem every box day was a full blown meal, now you have a choice nothing, buffet or meal. All impacting on the cost. Some of the Prem boxes were 2 year deals which ended last season.
Not wishing to be an apologist for His Madj but these figures together with attendance figures quoted above do go some way to explaining why we are in shit creek.

[Snowball]

But by just going at that rate, when concessions bring the ticket prices down lower, does it not excentuate the differences between the two?

Or is that insignificant?

If only Southdowns hadn't quoted him on another thread I'd have happily ignored whatever he whatever he said without instantly getting riled just because it's him.

Dear, dear me. Concessions are a percentage of the full price or ST price
(unless the concession-discounting has changed for different seasons)

Of course it doesn't "exentuate" anything. We are talking about percentages, not totals.


The lower the "guaranteed gate" (ie Season Tickets) the more it is likely that non-ST sales will be discounted to drag people in.

So, although ST prices are a reasonable measure (because it's percentages we are talking about) in the Championship
(and recession) income will be reduced MORE than mere ST numbers suggest.

[Snowball]

The cost of a box in the Prem was around £30k, the company I work for did a deal during last season when we still had a chance of Prem this year at around £16k. They cannot give them away this year. Plus in the Prem every box day was a full blown meal, now you have a choice nothing, buffet or meal. All impacting on the cost. Some of the Prem boxes were 2 year deals which ended last season.
Not wishing to be an apologist for His Madj but these figures together with attendance figures quoted above do go some way to explaining why we are in shit creek.

SANITY. Well done, A-J-D.

How many boxes at 30K were there? Anyone know? 33/34 of them and that's another million gone = another 10% off income.

[Pseud O'Nym]

Yes four more games, as mentioned elsewhere, with high police and stewarding costs, catering staff,
electricity, etc etc.

The point under discussion was that SJM stated there was 60% reduction in receipts, he made no reference to increased costs.

[Snowball]

Yes four more games, as mentioned elsewhere, with high police and stewarding costs, catering staff,
electricity, etc etc.

The point under discussion was that SJM stated there was 60% reduction in receipts, he made no reference to increased costs.

Nor did I say "INCREASED" costs. I'm merely making the point that the extra games aren't worth as much as they might be
because the gate is down and fixed costs remain

Anyway, the official record should list "Gate Receipts"

[Pseud O'Nym]

Yes four more games, as mentioned elsewhere, with high police and stewarding costs, catering staff,
electricity, etc etc.

The point under discussion was that SJM stated there was 60% reduction in receipts, he made no reference to increased costs.

Nor did I say "INCREASED" costs. I'm merely making the point that the extra games aren't worth as much as they might be
because the gate is down and fixed costs remain

The costs of the extra games have no effect on receipts though, and receipts were the context of the discussion.

Anyway, the official record should list "Gate Receipts"

Relevance?

[Barry the bird boggler]

Surely JM can't be surprised, cr*p results, cr*p team, cr*p performances, cr*p investment and all "good" players sold what does he think will happen. Just wait until next season when the utterly pathetic performances of this season really come home to roost and we're getting 11/12k at home at most, less if we get regulated.

Until we have a miracle worker for a manager or serious investment in the team we're going to struggle at this level.

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

At least using the same process for both seasons makes for a reasonable comparison though

For those concessions you can balance it out with those paying top whack on a match by match basis

I bet more adults walked away than concessions, but is is as close as we will get.

My real guess is that he really means we are 60% dow on the prem, which would be about right.

Next season we will be really down, hence him keeping things tight.

[No Hoops]

It's simples

We've only played 60% of the season. That why!! God, some of you are so dim.