charlie adam?

[brendywendy]

when considering the worth of a player you must look at age, fitness,skill, achievement, length of contract,etc
but most importantly, you have to look at what he is worth to the selling team.

in adams case surely hes worth whatever holloway thinks hes worth to blackpool- ie how much it would cost to replace him, how much money theyll earn if he helps keep them up in the prem.


i know the lad wants to play for liverpool, but that should only happen if liverpool negotiuate a fee thats acceptable to blackpool.
or is that just modern day slavery?

[TBM]

when considering the worth of a player you must look at age, fitness,skill, achievement, etc
but most importantly, you have to look at what he is worth to the selling team.

in adams case surely hes worth whatever holloway thinks hes worth to blackpool- ie how much it would cost to replace him, how much money theyll earn if he helps keep them up in the prem.


i know the lad wants to play for liverpool, but that should only happen if liverpool negotiuate a fee thats acceptable to blackpool.
or is that just modern day slavery?

The club (Blackpool) don't have to sell him if Liverpool dont offer the amount they want......just cos he's handed in a transfer request, it doesn't mean he'll go cheaper

[soggy biscuit]

Blackpool fans I know say that David Vaughan has had a better season than Adam and they would be more worried about losing him.

[brendywendy]

what happens if adams submits his request, but blackpool never get the ammount they think he is worth to them?
does it go to arbitration? and what sort of figures will it be for if it does?

[TBM]

what happens if adams submits his request, but blackpool never get the ammount they think he is worth to them?
does it go to arbitration? and what sort of figures will it be for if it does?

No.....

Just cos he's handed in a transfer request, it just means that he wants to leave and be put on the "list". If Blackpool accept its basically saying to other clubs that he is available. BUT if they dont receive the amount they want then they wont sell and there is nothing Adam can do, other than sulk. He's in contract with them, so its up to them if they sell him or not. They can also refuse his request.

[brendywendy]

at what point does it cost you more to keep a seriously pissed off player on your books, than youd have lost by selling him cheap

[No Fixed Abode]

as Holloway said - staying in the Prem is worth about £46m to Blackpool - so they want to keep their best players. If a club doesn't come in with a bid of £10m plus for him, then they won't sell.

[Mr Optimist]

Point is, as Brendy is alluding to, he won't be worth £46m to Blackpool if he stays but becomes ineffective and disinterested as he sees his chance to play for one of the two largest English clubs slipping away.....

[TBM]

Point is, as Brendy is alluding to, he won't be worth £46m to Blackpool if he stays but becomes ineffective and disinterested as he sees his chance to play for one of the two largest English clubs slipping away.....

True but there is nobody out there that will set a price for him, other than Blackpool......

[brendywendy]

its a balancing act- but the longer aDAMS AGITATES FOR A MOVE- THE MORE IT AFFECTS HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CLUB/PERFORMANCES ON TH EPITCH, the more likely it is that holloway will have to let him go for lower than his initial valuation.


imo -it just shows how well weve dealt with these issues that this hasnt happened more often with out players.

hunt/shory/sidwell was about it from recent times, and even those concluded in a far more amicable fashion than adams' potential move

[cmonurz]

at what point does it cost you more to keep a seriously pissed off player on your books, than youd have lost by selling him cheap

I made this point earlier this season when reminiscing about a time when Liverpool weren't quite as shite as they are now. In Mascherano they had one of the best midfielders in the world, and they let him go for £20m, because he was homesick/family couldn't settle etc.

Ultimately the selling club sets the price, but it does surprise me just how often clubs are prepared to sell just because a player expresses a wish to leave - Mascherano's performances hadn't suffered a dip - and I expect Adam to go to Liverpool for £6-7m fairly soon.

[Royal With Cheese]

its a balancing act- but the longer aDAMS AGITATES FOR A MOVE- THE MORE IT AFFECTS HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CLUB/PERFORMANCES ON TH EPITCH, the more likely it is that holloway will have to let him go for lower than his initial valuation.


imo -it just shows how well weve dealt with these issues that this hasnt happened more often with out players.

hunt/shory/sidwell was about it from recent times, and even those concluded in a far more amicable fashion than adams' potential move

Both Shorey and Hunt suffered through their expectations of a move - Shorey I was particularly dissappointed in after he played for England. Have no complaints about Sidwell. Throughout the seeing of his contract out he never gave less than 100% to his football and the team. A sad reflection on modern day football is that he is the exception rather than the rule.

[Hoop Blah]

Soel was another one who Reading didn't get a lot out of once he wanted a move away.

I do think we played most situations about right though. I certainly wouldn't have given Hunt the massive contract we did in order to try and get him to buck his ideas up a bit, and I'd have shipped Shorey out sooner, but on the whole we've done well.

I think the players we had largely had the right kind of attittude, so the likes of Sidwell and Doyle kept up their level of performance even though they knew they were soon to be off. It's not easy to do that when you know your future lies elsewhere (see Hunt, Shorey and Lita etc).

Adams looks like a player who'll continue to do his shift though.

[Wax Jacket]

Shorey was a bit unlucky with the timing of the Leighton Baines transfer, according to Coppell's story

[brendywendy]

its a balancing act- but the longer aDAMS AGITATES FOR A MOVE- THE MORE IT AFFECTS HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CLUB/PERFORMANCES ON TH EPITCH, the more likely it is that holloway will have to let him go for lower than his initial valuation.


imo -it just shows how well weve dealt with these issues that this hasnt happened more often with out players.

hunt/shory/sidwell was about it from recent times, and even those concluded in a far more amicable fashion than adams' potential move

Both Shorey and Hunt suffered through their expectations of a move - Shorey I was particularly dissappointed in after he played for England. Have no complaints about Sidwell. Throughout the seeing of his contract out he never gave less than 100% to his football and the team. A sad reflection on modern day football is that he is the exception rather than the rule.

thats why i listed them- but the fall outs are no way near as big or as public as it has become with adam

[brendywendy]

I certainly wouldn't have given Hunt the massive contract we did in order to try and get him to buck his ideas up a bit

i thought they gave it to him as a reward for consistent high achievement. not as a buck up your ideas kind of thing- would send the wrong message surely.

" we dont think youre performing well in your job, what we want is an instant improvement in your attitude and level of achievement.here is a cheque for 100k a month. let that be a lesson to you"

[rhroyal]

I can't stand it when players sulk. If he stays in January, I really hope he gives his all to Blackpool for the remainder of this season and leaves on good terms.

More to the point, it always surprises me that managers sign sulks. Admittedly Adam looks talented, but if he became ineffective for the second half of the season, it would suggest that he is mentally weak and unable to give his all to the cause when things don't got his way. Why would a manager want to sign a player like that?

It's no coincidence that people were willing to bid £6.5million for Doyle but only £2.5million for Hunt, mentality counts and throwing a hissy fit should only work against you getting a big move. Seems to work for plenty of players mind you.

[TheMaraudingDog]

Blackpool fans I know say that David Vaughan has had a better season than Adam and they would be more worried about losing him.

LOL @ people who talk to fans of other teams in a serious deb8. All a bit gay really. No doubt the same people who welcome female linos.

[Ian Royal]

Thing is, Holloway only needs to hold on until the end of the window, so it's not like there's a lot of time for this to go sour. Then no matter what Adam does he can't get a transfer and if he sulks and stops performing he runs the risk of losing form and therefore becoming less attractive to the sort of clubs he wants to go to.

Blackpool may be willing to take the chance for the rest of the season and then still get a decent fee, if not as high as they'd want in the summer.

[Hoop Blah]

I certainly wouldn't have given Hunt the massive contract we did in order to try and get him to buck his ideas up a bit

i thought they gave it to him as a reward for consistent high achievement. not as a buck up your ideas kind of thing- would send the wrong message surely.

" we dont think youre performing well in your job, what we want is an instant improvement in your attitude and level of achievement.here is a cheque for 100k a month. let that be a lesson to you"

Pretty sure the club or Coppell have said it was part of the deal to get him to stay until the end of the season instead of working even harder to engineer a move away.

Totally agree the logic doesn't really work, that's why I wouldn't have done it!

thats why i listed them- but the fall outs are no way near as big or as public as it has become with adam

It's only big because they're in the Premier and it's a desperate Liverpool making the bid. His performances and it seems his relationship with the club don't seem to indicate any fall out outside of the media attention.