Save Plymouth Argyle

[prostak]

Thought this could do with its own thread rather than going on the Financial Crises one.

Plymouth Argyle are in serious trouble - relegation and the subsequent failure of the English World Cup hosting bid have led them to a position of needing £500,000 in the next week just to continue existing. A promised cash injection from the majority shareholders has not been forthcoming, and HMRC are understandably losing patience after having issued several winding-up orders.

I've no connection with Plymouth or Argyle, but in their situation would at the least be heartened by support from other fans. If you live near the city try and go along to a game or two, or at the least sign the petition which will be given to shareholder Kagami Yasuaki next week. As I say - if it was Reading, you'd want other teams' fans to do the same.

[T.R.O.L.I.]

but in their situation would at the least be heartened by support from other fans.......As I say - if it was Reading, you'd want other teams' fans to do the same.

OUT with a capital O, U and T!!!

The reason for me not supporting this campaign? Yet another club that have failed to live within their means and are passing round the begging bowl now that things have started to go belly up. I had no sympathy for the clubs that have gone before Plymouth and no sympathy for those that this will inevitably happen to in the future.

Yes it is harsh on the fans but as with other financially fcuked clubs, they were happy to ride the gravy train.

The only thing about this for me is that yet again I am grateful that we have a chairman who hasn't mortgaged the club to the hilt in order to be successful.

[roadrunner]

Shouldn't they just have run their club properly instead of get into this trouble in the first place? Bradley Wright-Philips is apparently on £8k a week. That's almost their £500k in a years wages alone!

Would I want other clubs support if it were us in trouble? I think having seen this happen over and over again with the likes of Leicester and Portsmouth, no, I wouldn't care. Somehow these deadlines just get extended and extended, and at worst the club gets relegated and suffers for one or two years, or in Portsmouth's case, they get relegated, get a reprieve, keep half their already expensive squad and add players on loan on Premiership wages. It's scandalous. Leicester did similar and then went on to win promotion the same season. It's a nonsense.

Plymouth will be fine. And in any case, if they were to be made an example of, the sooner the better! It needs to happen to a few clubs before others start to learn.

[prostak]

but in their situation would at the least be heartened by support from other fans.......As I say - if it was Reading, you'd want other teams' fans to do the same.

OUT with a capital O, U and T!!!

The reason for me not supporting this campaign? Yet another club that have failed to live within their means and are passing round the begging bowl now that things have started to go belly up. I had no sympathy for the clubs that have gone before Plymouth and no sympathy for those that this will inevitably happen to in the future.

Yes it is harsh on the fans but as with other financially fcuked clubs, they were happy to ride the gravy train.

The only thing about this for me is that yet again I am grateful that we have a chairman who hasn't mortgaged the club to the hilt in order to be successful.

My belief that Madejski is a good chairman is similarly endorsed by this, but it's not as if Plymouth have had wild success on this 'gravy train'. They were screwed over by Ian Holloway at the exact point where they came close to anything resembling achievement, his McGhee act destabilizing a squad which was in strong playoff contention.

It isn't the club 'passing round the begging bowl' either - it's the fans who don't deserve to suffer for the actions of a group of investors. Disagree with the campaign all you like, but you seem to have an odd idea of the heights Argyle have reached. In any case, they were doing fine financially when at those heights. It's mainly the actions of the new owners which have caused these problems. One year of history from 125 - is that any way to let a club with a potentially huge fanbase die?

[SpaceCruiser]

As I say - if it was Reading, you'd want other teams' fans to do the same.

Did Plymouth ever support Reading fans in their crusade against Robert Maxwell? Thought not.

[leon]

As I say - if it was Reading, you'd want other teams' fans to do the same.

Did Plymouth ever support Reading fans in their crusade against Robert Maxwell? Thought not.

You know this for a fact? Would they have even known about it, pre internet etc?

you really are quite the twat

[Tails]

Signed: its good karma.

Though didn't Plymouth, at one stage, want to build a 30k+ seater stadium?

[Elmer Park]

I was hoping Portsmouth would go under as I think they deserved to and as a Club who were in the Premiership I think it would have been a good lesson for football.

Although clearly errors have been made in the running of the Club I don't really see Plymouth's situation as quite the same and I hope they survive. Like most people I think footballers are overpaid but I would be surprised if BWP was the only player in League One who is on those sort of wages so I don't they are out of order in paying that sort of money to someone they hoped might score the goals to get them back up. I think their plans for developing their ground was dependent on it being a World Cup venue.

I am just about old enough to remember the threatened merger with Oxford and we got quite a bit of moral support from fans of other Clubs. I am sure if the roles of Plymouth and Reading were reversed their decent supporters wouldn't want us to go under.

[Jackson Corner]

For those that moan at SJM for not dipping his hand in his pocket, take note if he had not come along in 1990 and saved the club I dread to think where we would be now. At best we would be suffering a simaler plight to Plymouth. I feel sorry for the fans, but when you have to bring Peter Risdale in to sort out your financial problems then you deserve what you get.

[Red]

The reason for me not supporting this campaign? Yet another club that have failed to live within their means and are passing round the begging bowl now that things have started to go belly up. I had no sympathy for the clubs that have gone before Plymouth and no sympathy for those that this will inevitably happen to in the future.

Spot on.

If fans continue to bail out clubs then clubs will continue to overspend and rip off the fans in order to do so.

Let them all go to the wall - the likes of Aldershot and Wimbledon have shown that you can start again.

[muddyfeet]

Very much in the middle of both sets of views on here....... Any club living way beyond their financial means is stupid naive and heading towards disaster. However I do feel sorry for the fans who may not agree with how the clubs run and will see it collapse in front of their eyes

[Red]

Very much in the middle of both sets of views on here....... Any club living way beyond their financial means is stupid naive and heading towards disaster. However I do feel sorry for the fans who may not agree with how the clubs run and will see it collapse in front of their eyes

Then they can set up a new one and have a few seasons of fun in the lower leagues. It'll be alright.

[muddyfeet]

Very much in the middle of both sets of views on here....... Any club living way beyond their financial means is stupid naive and heading towards disaster. However I do feel sorry for the fans who may not agree with how the clubs run and will see it collapse in front of their eyes

Then they can set up a new one and have a few seasons of fun in the lower leagues. It'll be alright.

But will it actually be ok Red, will it?! Someone think of the people

[buzzby]

At a time when a lot of people are struggling financially (myself included) to make ends meet. Why on earth would I want to spend my meagre wages to help save any football club from going under. Especially when even league one players wages are incredibly high compared to most professions.
Its there own fault they let it get to this.
I've got to agree the sooner these clubs start folding the better.

[Red]

Very much in the middle of both sets of views on here....... Any club living way beyond their financial means is stupid naive and heading towards disaster. However I do feel sorry for the fans who may not agree with how the clubs run and will see it collapse in front of their eyes

Then they can set up a new one and have a few seasons of fun in the lower leagues. It'll be alright.

But will it actually be ok Red, will it?! Someone think of the people

I've said it will be fine. You'll have to trust me on this.

[handbags_harris]

Someone think of the people

Those'll be the same people who were happy to get on the rollercoaster without question, who then cry for help when the rollercoaster is actually made of nothing more than balserwood...

[roadrunner]

Someone think of the people

Those'll be the same people who were happy to get on the rollercoaster without question, who then cry for help when the rollercoaster is actually made of nothing more than balserwood...

I'd have thought those people, like our people, are those that just watch their club no matter who's running it or how well or bad they're doing. The fans are always the ones left hard done by, even when times are good we are constantly ripped off by ticket prices etc. I stand by my comment a club or clubs need to go to the wall in order for others to wake up and sort this ongoing mess out, but you can't seriously have a dig at fellow supporters. We all share one thing in common, and that's our love for our football clubs. As with family and friends, you stand by them through the thick and the thin!

[muddyfeet]

Someone think of the people

Those'll be the same people who were happy to get on the rollercoaster without question, who then cry for help when the rollercoaster is actually made of nothing more than balserwood...

I'd have thought those people, like our people, are those that just watch their club no matter who's running it or how well or bad they're doing. The fans are always the ones left hard done by, even when times are good we are constantly ripped off by ticket prices etc. I stand by my comment a club or clubs need to go to the wall in order for others to wake up and sort this ongoing mess out, but you can't seriously have a dig at fellow supporters. We all share one thing in common, and that's our love for our football clubs. As with family and friends, you stand by them through the thick and the thin!

My comment was mostly sarcastic but very much agree with the above

[floyd__streete]

Plymouth Argyle are in serious trouble

Good.

[bobbybottler]

Any discussions about Argyle always remind me of the fat pcunt who singlehandedly took on the travelling Royals support in the rain in 1994, and had to be carried out by four coppers, each holding a limb.