if "the champions league" is the "same" as the european cup

frimmers3 · by **frimmers3** » 10 Mar 2011 20:58

and by some divine intervention tottenham won it this year,would they become the only english club to make a "clean sweep" of all top flight domestic and european cup competitions?

cmonurz · by **cmonurz** » 10 Mar 2011 21:00

Yes, it's the same.

frimmers3 · by **frimmers3** » 10 Mar 2011 21:48

cmonurz wrote:Yes, it's the same.

some may argue the point....the old european cup was "knock out" from round one to final....a different animal..but back to the question..has any english club to date won the lot?

Ian Royal · by **Ian Royal** » 10 Mar 2011 22:17

frimmers3 wrote:
cmonurz wrote:Yes, it's the same.
some may argue the point....the old european cup was "knock out" from round one to final....a different animal..but back to the question..has any english club to date won the lot?

What are you including? Because Man Utd & Liverpool have definitely won the top flight, FA Cup, League Cup and European Cup / Champions League. If you're including the UEFA cup that's a bit harsh on Utd, they haven't been shit enough to be in it for decades.

Rev Algenon Stickleback H · by **Rev Algenon Stickleback H** » 10 Mar 2011 22:26

No.

Several have won two of the three, but only Spurs, West Ham, Man City, Chelsea, Everton, Man Utd and Arsenal can ever do the sweep of all three, as the CWC doesn't exist any more.

Of those, Man Utd have also won the European Cup. Arsenal have won the Fairs/UEFA Cup, as have Spurs.

Liverpool are the only English club to have won the European and UEFA Cups.

Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Juventus and Ajax are the only clubs to have won all three, and they've all added the intercontinental/World Club Cup as well, for good measure.

No Fixed Abode · by **No Fixed Abode** » 10 Mar 2011 22:35

it should only really be the champions, so no marks like Spurs wouldn't get in the competition.

frimmers3 · by **frimmers3** » 10 Mar 2011 22:39

No Fixed Abode wrote:it should only really be the champions, so no marks like Spurs wouldn't get in the competition.

really? spurs were the first english club to win a european trophy.

cmonurz · by **cmonurz** » 10 Mar 2011 22:47

Rev Algenon Stickleback H wrote: Liverpool are the only English club to have won the European and UEFA Cups.

Really surprised at that one!

frimmers3 · by **frimmers3** » 10 Mar 2011 22:50

cmonurz wrote:
Rev Algenon Stickleback H wrote: Liverpool are the only English club to have won the European and UEFA Cups.

Really surprised at that one!

but they never managed the cup winners cup..

cmonurz · by **cmonurz** » 10 Mar 2011 22:53

I know. I'm surprised that no other European Cup winner has not also at some point won the UEFA Cup.

by **6ft Kerplunk** » 11 Mar 2011 09:43

frimmers3 wrote:and by some divine intervention tottenham won it this year

I think we can all stop reading at this point.

Alan Partridge · by **Alan Partridge** » 11 Mar 2011 13:03

No Fixed Abode wrote:it should only really be the champions, so no marks like Spurs wouldn't get in the competition.

The truest words you've ever spoken m8 (apart from RIP Mark Sp8)

The Champions League is the ultimate in 'Mod£rn Football' A competition geared up to make sure as many of the supposed 'big clubs' in the world get through in, play a load of pointless matches which they can cover world wide on television. It is an absolute mickey mouse competition with 1 aim, to generate as much money as possible. What a disaster in 95 when little ol Blackburn won the league?! That's no good, we need Man utd and Liverpool in there somehow?!?! Or more recently in Germany we can't have anyone other than Bayern Munich in there, it's just not cricket.

The last time Spurs were Champions of England my Dad was 9 years old, England were still dreaming about hosting the World Cup in 1966 and the shilling was very much regular currency. What in the name of Christ are they doing in this competition? Oh they finished 4th.....err yeah still waiting for the answer? Thought it was the Champions League?

Absolutely dire tournament, created by a load of fat cats for the modern football armchair fan. NO FANKS.

BR2 · by **BR2** » 11 Mar 2011 14:44

Alan Partridge wrote:
No Fixed Abode wrote:it should only really be the champions, so no marks like Spurs wouldn't get in the competition.
The truest words you've ever spoken m8 (apart from RIP Mark Sp8)

The Champions League is the ultimate in 'Mod£rn Football' A competition geared up to make sure as many of the supposed 'big clubs' in the world get through in, play a load of pointless matches which they can cover world wide on television. It is an absolute mickey mouse competition with 1 aim, to generate as much money as possible. What a disaster in 95 when little ol Blackburn won the league?! That's no good, we need Man utd and Liverpool in there somehow?!?! Or more recently in Germany we can't have anyone other than Bayern Munich in there, it's just not cricket.

The last time Spurs were Champions of England my Dad was 9 years old, England were still dreaming about hosting the World Cup in 1966 and the shilling was very much regular currency. What in the name of Christ are they doing in this competition? Oh they finished 4th.....err yeah still waiting for the answer? Thought it was the Champions League?

Absolutely dire tournament, created by a load of fat cats for the modern football armchair fan. NO FANKS.

Agree with your overall point but the last 8 onwards I find interesting plus the odd game involving Barcelona.

Terminal Boardom · by **Terminal Boardom** » 11 Mar 2011 15:09

frimmers3 wrote:and by some divine intervention tottenham won it this year,would they become the only english club to make a "clean sweep" of all top flight domestic and european cup competitions?

But did Spurs EVER win the Simod Cup? Certainly a "top flight" domestic competition

Ian Royal · by **Ian Royal** » 11 Mar 2011 15:57

thoroughly agree with AP.

European competitions = YAWN

No Fixed Abode · by **No Fixed Abode** » 11 Mar 2011 17:57

Ian Royal wrote:thoroughly agree with AP.

European competitions = YAWN

Good job you never qualify for any then.

Ian Royal · by **Ian Royal** » 11 Mar 2011 19:51

No Fixed Abode wrote:
Ian Royal wrote:thoroughly agree with AP.

European competitions = YAWN

Good job you never qualify for any then.

Oh, no. What a devastating put down. Woe is me.

cmonurz · by **cmonurz** » 11 Mar 2011 22:14

What is the actual issue people have with a 'champions' competition that includes teams other than those who won their leagues?

When Liverpool won it in '77, they beat Crusaders, Trabzonspor, St Etienne, FC Zurich, before Moenchengladbach in the final. In '81, to reach the semi-finals, they beat OPS, Aberdeen and and CSKA Sofia.

There was arguably more talent in Liverpool's '05 group stage (Monaco, Olympiakos, Deportivo) than that above.

Ian Royal · by **Ian Royal** » 11 Mar 2011 22:26

cmonurz wrote:What is the actual issue people have with a 'champions' competition that includes teams other than those who won their leagues?

When Liverpool won it in '77, they beat Crusaders, Trabzonspor, St Etienne, FC Zurich, before Moenchengladbach in the final. In '81, to reach the semi-finals, they beat OPS, Aberdeen and and CSKA Sofia.

There was arguably more talent in Liverpool's '05 group stage (Monaco, Olympiakos, Deportivo) than that above.

The word Champions when it includes teams that finish fourth. By all means call it the Megabucks oxf*rd club League.

Actually just forget the finishing criteria, pick the 30 biggest clubs in Europe and don't let those irritating little wasters get in anymore.

Harpers So Solid Crew · by **Harpers So Solid Crew** » 12 Mar 2011 06:38

Are Leeds the only English club to play in a final of all 3 European comps??

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