Birmingham points deduction?

[Winston Biscuit]

Referred to a disciplinary commission after the EFL confirm their £2M signing of Kristian Pedersen happened when the club had already been put under a transfer embargo

Punishment could include a points deduction

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Referred to a disciplinary commission after the EFL confirm their £2M signing of Kristian Pedersen happened when the club had already been put under a transfer embargo

Punishment could include a points deduction

Yes read this today although it said the points deduction could be up to 12 points. A deduction would be useful!

[Snowflake Royal]

Yep, could be the difference between us finishing 24th and 23rd!

[WoodleyRoyal]

what i don't get is, don't the football league have to ratify the transfer? why did they approve it for a team on an embargo

[windermereROYAL]

Portsmouth, QPR and now Birmingham, wish I could think of a connection.

[Snowflake Royal]

what i don't get is, don't the football league have to ratify the transfer? why did they approve it for a team on an embargo

There was something reported at the time... I'm guessing to avoid disadvantaging the player and selling club when they'd done nothing wrong.

[Winston Biscuit]

what i don't get is, don't the football league have to ratify the transfer? why did they approve it for a team on an embargo

That is where I was baffled. Transferring a player is all about transfering which club he is registered to according to the authorities.

A player signs a registration document, the new club uploads it onto the online transfer system along with their own signed transfer doc, once they do that and the selling club have approved it in the system the EFL have to also approve it in the system for it to be complete.

How could Birminghams situation even have come about?

[Stranded]

what i don't get is, don't the football league have to ratify the transfer? why did they approve it for a team on an embargo

That is where I was baffled. Transferring a player is all about transfering which club he is registered to according to the authorities.

A player signs a registration document, the new club uploads it onto the online transfer system along with their own signed transfer doc, once they do that and the selling club have approved it in the system the EFL have to also approve it in the system for it to be complete.

How could Birminghams situation even have come about?

In short, Birmingham entered into an employment contract with Pedersen without the FL's knowledge and in breach of the business plan they were meant to follow. The FL took legal advice and were told they had very little choice but to allow him to be registered as a result of this contract, as the player could sue them for restraint of trade etc.

Understandably, the FL are pretty pissed with this, so would expect that they will look to hit the club with as much of a punishment as they can get away with.

[Sutekh]

After QPR negotiated a reduced fine and no points deductions for their activities I wonder if the rumoured 12 points Is just going to be an opening gambit from the FL and that after legal negotiations Birmingham will just get a fine or a smaller points deduction and a fine or a suspended points deduction or some combination of that.

Doesn't it have to be all sorted and finalised by the end of this year though?

[6ft Kerplunk]

Yeah, looking forward to Birmingham getting a 1pt deduction and a £10K fine in the 2022-23 season.

[Winston Biscuit]

Case to be heard in February

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... ill-heard/

[From Despair To Where?]

Just enough time to establish how big a points deduction can be issued that will make fcuk all difference.

[AthleticoSpizz]

Nobody much likes Villas Jack Grealish, but he didn’t deserve getting lamped from behind by a scrote pretending to be a Birmingham ‘fan’ (footage on any Sky based site).

With the so-called experts calling for points deductions (10?) amongst other things, this COULD drag Brum down into the peripherals of our ‘league of 6’

Over to you FA

[Nameless]

Don’t think points deduction would be appropriate.
If it is then open season for people to run on and get points deducted from rivals.
Ground closure, massive fine more likely I would think. Given that apparently thousands of Blues fans applauded the attacker I’d think closing their main end and only allowing existing STH to attend 2or 3 games would be appropriate.

[AthleticoSpizz]

Agree, but the FA have a fair bit of previous for in-appropriation.....in Birminghams case, here’s hoping.

[Nameless]

Aren’t they also facing a big FFP points deduction ?
Ipswich might not be 24th !

[Needle]

Terrible business today but it reminded me of Charlie, the GOAT, which still makes me laugh

[Old Man Andrews]

A behind closed doors game with a suspended points deductions would be the way I think the FA will go here.

[Sanguine]

Presumably any punishment given to Birmingham (and they should get one) will also be given to Arsenal?

[Old Man Andrews]

Presumably any punishment given to Birmingham (and they should get one) will also be given to Arsenal?

Nope. The end results were different. A Birmingham supporter went on to the pitch to cause harm to an opposition player and did so. The level of stewarding/police was not sufficient to stop him and it is negligent on Birmingham's part. Don't forget they then had a steward nicked for assaulting Grealish after he'd scored too, they are in a whole world of trouble.
Of course you will now argue the Arsenal supporter COULD have done the same or worse which is correct but the severity of the end result of the Birmingham one will mean that their ultimate punishment is harsher. Arsenal will get a fine and Birmingham will get a behind closed doors game as a message to their fans for future derby games and a fine.