You're Not Signing Any More!

Andy M · by **Andy M** » 13 Nov 2006 14:24

At the rate your club are banning fans, I thought you may like a read of our latest efforts...

While http://www.standupsitdown.co.ukcontinue in their efforts to try and achieve a common sense solution to the issue of standing in our football grounds it would seem from the feedback that reaches us that more and more supporters are increasingly disgruntled with many other issues; draconian and sometimes excessive stewarding, arrests for reasons that many would deem trivial (and a waste of tax payers money) that have lead to banning orders, atmospheres that are akin to visiting your local library, match day announcers and music drowning out traditional chanting and the increasing manipulation of fans to support their clubs in ways officialdom feel appropriate.

Fans of some clubs are fighting back with varying degrees of success. Arsenalsâ€™ Red Action are given absurd â€œhealth and safetyâ€

Royal Lady · by **Royal Lady** » 13 Nov 2006 14:28

How many fans have we banned for purely standing up then?

sheshnu · by **sheshnu** » 13 Nov 2006 14:35

I have never encountered any of the problems sensationalised in this thread, yet I regularly stand up, shout, swear and even make rude hand gestures at football stadia across the country.

It's a funny old game.

Volvicanus · by **Volvicanus** » 13 Nov 2006 14:59

At the risk of a whoosh here - do you mean your petition?

The 17 Bus · by **The 17 Bus** » 13 Nov 2006 15:04

what arent we signing?

Forbury Lion · by **Forbury Lion** » 13 Nov 2006 15:06

Andy M wrote:At the rate your club are banning fans, I thought you may like a read of our latest efforts...

Can you summarise please as I don't have time to read all that.

Spirit of Elm Park · by **Spirit of Elm Park** » 13 Nov 2006 15:47

Andy M wrote:At the rate your club are banning fans, I thought you may like a read of our latest efforts...

You thought wrong.

Royal Lady · by **Royal Lady** » 13 Nov 2006 16:30

Andy - please get your facts straight before launching into petition mode - again. A couple of fans have been given banning orders for throwing objects at the Chelsea fans - whether these have been appealed yet or what, I don't know. But you show me the rate that we're banning fans for standing up and I'll read your petition.

Skin · by **Skin** » 13 Nov 2006 16:36

Give him/her? a break FFS. I've had plenty of unpleasant experiences with stewards at Reading. Add to this the subtle sanitisation of the football experience at Reading there are undoubtedly issues that need addressing.
For me I just want the freedom to stand infront of my seat (not terracing) if those behind me are likeminded and also don't mind standing. That is all.

Royal Lady · by **Royal Lady** » 13 Nov 2006 16:39

He made a comment "at the rate your club is banning fans" and I am merely asking him to justify that comment - his petition do-dah is to do with being allowed to stand. I am merely pointing out that as far as I am aware, no-one has been banned for standing. Why shouldn't I counter his claims?

Skin · by **Skin** » 13 Nov 2006 16:55

Royal Lady wrote:He made a comment "at the rate your club is banning fans" and I am merely asking him to justify that comment - his petition do-dah is to do with being allowed to stand. I am merely pointing out that as far as I am aware, no-one has been banned for standing. Why shouldn't I counter his claims?

I agree with your point, FTR I asked STAR to confirm (to their knowledge) how many fans have been banned this season for standing alone. Until Sat it appears there have been no banning orders for standing alone, but there have been in the past seasons so it's certainly not just an empty threat.
I know its a health and safety issue, which seems just one of many that is totally unjustified IMO, and although its tolerated, you or I are more likely to be injured walking up or down the steps to/from my seat than standing in front of it, so whats next, padded steps? seatbelts on seats?

Andy M · by **Andy M** » 13 Nov 2006 17:29

The petition is indeed about being allowed to stand; this article covers the many other issues that are brought to our attention that you could argue lead back to the standing issue, hence my opening remark.

I know you had trouble with Chelsea a few weeks ago, but I've since heard of fans being banned for what some may argue are trivial issues. I can't divulge confidences as the people banned may be appealing.

It would seem that your Mr Doyle is indeed intent on ridding Reading FC of "yobs" and his definition of a yob is apparently extremely broad.

weybridgewanderer · by **weybridgewanderer** » 13 Nov 2006 18:00

Skin wrote:
Royal Lady wrote:He made a comment "at the rate your club is banning fans" and I am merely asking him to justify that comment - his petition do-dah is to do with being allowed to stand. I am merely pointing out that as far as I am aware, no-one has been banned for standing. Why shouldn't I counter his claims?
I agree with your point, FTR I asked STAR to confirm (to their knowledge) how many fans have been banned this season for standing alone. Until Sat it appears there have been no banning orders for standing alone, but there have been in the past seasons so it's certainly not just an empty threat.
I know its a health and safety issue, which seems just one of many that is totally unjustified IMO, and although its tolerated, you or I are more likely to be injured walking up or down the steps to/from my seat than standing in front of it, so whats next, padded steps? seatbelts on seats?

whats next?
signs warning you about flying footballs?

Volvicanus · by **Volvicanus** » 13 Nov 2006 18:39

Let me get this straight - Andy M is a woman?

shadesrwrf · by **shadesrwrf** » 13 Nov 2006 18:42

Volvicanus wrote:Let me get this straight - Andy M is a woman?

Well if Andy is a woman you won't be getting it straight now will you?

Skin · by **Skin** » 13 Nov 2006 18:53

weybridgewanderer wrote:
Skin wrote:
Royal Lady wrote:He made a comment "at the rate your club is banning fans" and I am merely asking him to justify that comment - his petition do-dah is to do with being allowed to stand. I am merely pointing out that as far as I am aware, no-one has been banned for standing. Why shouldn't I counter his claims?
I agree with your point, FTR I asked STAR to confirm (to their knowledge) how many fans have been banned this season for standing alone. Until Sat it appears there have been no banning orders for standing alone, but there have been in the past seasons so it's certainly not just an empty threat.
I know its a health and safety issue, which seems just one of many that is totally unjustified IMO, and although its tolerated, you or I are more likely to be injured walking up or down the steps to/from my seat than standing in front of it, so whats next, padded steps? seatbelts on seats?
whats next?
signs warning you about flying footballs?

LOL

Its all happening!

notloyalenuffroyal · by **notloyalenuffroyal** » 13 Nov 2006 22:17

Volvicanus wrote:Let me get this straight - Andy M is a woman?

And Boney M is what?

I'm very confused?

Has Boney M signed a petition not to sit down during his / her performances?

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I have taken the time to sumarise your post

OldBiscuit · by **OldBiscuit** » 14 Nov 2006 20:35

[quote="Andy M"]At the rate your club are banning fans, I thought you may like a read of our latest efforts...

While http://www.standupsitdown.co.ukcontinue in their efforts to try and achieve a common sense solution to the issue of standing in our football grounds it would seem from the feedback that reaches us that more and more supporters are increasingly disgruntled with many other issues; draconian and sometimes excessive stewarding, arrests for reasons that many would deem trivial (and a waste of tax payers money) that have lead to banning orders, atmospheres that are akin to visiting your local library, match day announcers and music drowning out traditional chanting and the increasing manipulation of fans to support their clubs in ways officialdom feel appropriate.

Fans of some clubs are fighting back with varying degrees of success. Arsenalsâ€™ Red Action are given absurd â€œhealth and safetyâ€

From Despair To Where? · by **From Despair To Where?** » 14 Nov 2006 20:52

These campaigns always bemuse me. I stand up, swear, make gestures, join in with abusive chants. I've never had grief from a steward. Maybe it's because I do it within the context of what's happening at the game at any given time. In defence of stewards, in my experience, the overwhelming majority of them know the difference between someone doing something in the heat of the moment and someone acting like a cock for the sake of it.

Who am I to judge incidents I've never witnessed though?