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[Thaumagurist*]

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[Stranded]

One big problem though,

It won't happen.

[Thaumagurist*]

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[cmonurz]

Spacey.

1 – I’m not sure this would actually be that tangible a benefit. World-class players, or at least, international-class players, are generally ‘born’ as such. Look at the current England side, and squad – I would only pick out Crouch, Hargreaves and Wes Brown as players who have really developed into the squad, the majority of the rest have been around the team since they were near the start of their careers, in one way or another. I’m not sure that forcing teams to play less-able English players is going to see those players develop sufficiently to represent England.

2 – True, BUT you will see the top four signing all of the best English players, as well as all of the second best English players, so in general it will only be the less financially-equipped Premier League teams poking around the lower leagues for promising players, whilst England’s best players are sitting on the bench at one of the big clubs.

3 – As you say, and as above, the best English players will be with the best teams; if anything I think the Premier League might become even less competitive, in terms of teams breaking into the top four, as the gap between good and average English players is, imho, greater than that between good and average foreign players in the league.

4 – As per point 1, although obviously English performances in Europe could be expected to suffer, in the short-term at least. Certainly you could expect Italy and Spain to reassert their dominance in Europe.

[Stranded]

I'm not sure exactly what benefits there would be.

With 6 England players playing each week that'll be 120 playing week in, week out -but it won't mean the national team will be better just that the league itself will have a few players that wouldn't otherwise have been good enough to be but for a quirk of birth.

Yep, it'll mean that players who may currently be playing at a lower level will get to step up a level, but again this doesn't equate to them actually being good enough to really play there - if they were good enough they'd already be there, but yes good financially for those lower clubs, so perhaps one benefit.

With "6+5" is that at any given time, so if an English player comes off then an English sub must be used or could all 7 subs be foreign, making it a 6+12 rule?

It won't make the leagues more competitive as the best players will still end up at the bigger clubs so the status quo will remain.

[Thaumagurist*]

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[papereyes]

I would argue that most often of the time that many English players have their potential unrealised because they don't have much experience of the top flight or European competitions as they are almost never given a chance. Very often they are discarded to make way for an expensive import from abroad who may not be any better than some certain English players with experience.

Why don't they go abroad? Sidwell, for example, could have gone to a German side. More chance of winning something. A chance to learn a different style of playing. More chance of playing in Europe, even.

English football is pathetically focussed on the Big 4 and the CL to the detriment of EVERYTHING else.

[Thaumagurist*]

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[Apocalypse Now]

Another positive is Arsenal wouldn't win anything.

Actually they don't anyway.

[g]

I'm all for it. Great idea and I'm glad we have someone like Plaini in charge of UEFA now. Everything he has said I have agreed with. A footballing man.

[Starfish]

Another positive is Arsenal wouldn't win anything.

Actually they don't anyway.

I think you'll find that Arsenal have won quite a few trophies in their time fielding English players. Not that long ago either.

[Apocalypse Now]

True, their last trophy in 2005, a fluked FA Cup win on penalties owed much to the defensive excellence of Ashley Cole.

Reminds us how they've done since? I'll save you the trouble.
































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[PieEater]

Maybe as another positive we will stop signing mediocre Scottish, Welsh and NIrish players in place of equivalent English players, meaning that their national teams won't benefit from our league.

Actually that's a general point, that countries with crap leagues, benefit from having players playing regularly in top leagues. So this rule will be to the benefit of countries with strong leagues and disadvantage countries with crap ones.

[mini _dariusz]

Club football > International football.

[Apocalypse Now]

Club football > International football.

'greed.

[Starfish]

True, their last trophy in 2005, a fluked FA Cup win on penalties owed much to the defensive excellence of Ashley Cole.

Reminds us how they've done since? I'll save you the trouble.

Thank you for proving my point. Since 2005, Arsenal have fielded very few English players and won nothing. Before that, fielding much more 'English' teams, they won trophies or would you disagree with that? My argument was that they have won trophies in the past with English players and that they could, conceivably do so again. Your argument ... well, you don't really have one.

[Apocalypse Now]

You're right, I don't.

I was merely laughing at Arsenal and their piss poor record in the last 3 seasons

[Starfish]

You're right, I don't.

I was merely laughing at Arsenal and their piss poor record in the last 3 seasons

That's fair enough.

[soggy biscuit]

More focus on who will be the next Wayne Rooney then I guess

[SpaceCruiser]

Maybe as another positive we will stop signing mediocre Scottish, Welsh and NIrish players in place of equivalent English players, meaning that their national teams won't benefit from our league.

Actually that's a general point, that countries with crap leagues, benefit from having players playing regularly in top leagues. So this rule will be to the benefit of countries with strong leagues and disadvantage countries with crap ones.

Yeah, spot on. France has a crap league. Before 1998, most of their players weren't all over Europe and therefore hadn't won the World Cup. Arsenal then suddenly start importing French players and they have the benefit of playing in our great league and they go on to win the World Cup.

The f*ckers.