Manufactured support

[TBM]

Why is it most southern teams have to have support, for their team, forced.

Free flags at Arsenal tonight, Chelsea often give away free flags too, Reading doing rumblestix and clappers etc. Why? Northern teams have genuine passion for their club and don't have to be forced to create atmosphere especially in big games.

It's sometimes embarrassing to be a football supporter in the South

[Southbank Old Boy]

Its PR and Marketing gone made

The North is always a few years behind the times and so expect to see this wave of marketing to hit them in 2012 when they see rumblestix at the Olympics

[Rex]

Ecomonics and the historical context of supporting a football team in the north seems to somehow have a greater foundation and passion to it. Therefore is is not manufactured.

The south is more fractured and cosmopolitan which equates to manufactured support and a fear of actually being passionate about football.

Glib and glossed over really but that's my theories.

[Super_horns]

Why is it most southern teams have to have support, for their team, forced.

Free flags at Arsenal tonight, Chelsea often give away free flags too, Reading doing rumblestix and clappers etc. Why? Northern teams have genuine passion for their club and don't have to be forced to create atmosphere especially in big games.

Teams up north just create more atmosphere whereas us folks seem more reserved.

[TBM]

Pompey fans are pretty decent and they're pretty much as south as it gets (part from Southampton).

Apart from the person ringing the bell

[floyd__streete]

the historical context of supporting a football team in the north seems to somehow have a greater foundation and passion to it.

What the sh*tting hell are you talking about? To unravel your mass of garbled syntax, I suspect that you are trying to infer that as the Football League was made up of mainly northern teams when founded in 1888 they somehow have more tradition than the southern sides, thus making the north this fabled hot bed of football; an empty catchphrase northerners wheel out since their industries collapsed and the south east became the power-house of the UK leaving them with frankly bog-all left to be proud of.

Fact of the matter is that there were plenty of strong southern teams developing the game in England - see the early FA Cup final results for reference, the first ever national footballing competition was dominated by southern sides in its early years - but by 1888 the southern teams tended not to embrace professionalism, hence why the likes of Reading were mere new-comers to the league in 1920. And besides, I have seen Rumblestix only once at the Madejski before they were binned by the (unusually discerning) fanbase; at that southern outpost Preston they have have been banging the damned things on each of my last three visits to Deepdale to drown out the echo of silence. And you don't get really much more historical context than you do at bloody Preston do you?

[TBM]

the historical context of supporting a football team in the north seems to somehow have a greater foundation and passion to it.

What the sh*tting hell are you talking about? To unravel your mass of garbled syntax, I suspect that you are trying to infer that as the Football League was made up of mainly northern teams when founded in 1888 they somehow have more tradition than the southern sides, thus making the north this fabled hot bed of football; an empty catchphrase northerners wheel out since their industries collapsed and the south east became the power-house of the UK leaving them with frankly bog-all left to be proud of.

Fact of the matter is that there were plenty of strong southern teams developing the game in England - see the early FA Cup final results for reference, the first ever national footballing competition was dominated by southern sides in its early years - but by 1888 the southern teams tended not to embrace professionalism, hence why the likes of Reading were mere new-comers to the league in 1920. And besides, I have seen Rumblestix only once at the Madejski before they were binned by the (unusually discerning) fanbase; at that southern outpost Preston they have have been banging the damned things on each of my last three visits to Deepdale to drown out the echo of silence. And you don't get really much more historical context than you do at bloody Preston do you?

Rubblestix binned after one game, but then free clappers, i remember kazoos and bits of paper etc to "help suppport the team"....its not the fans fault but if they were generating the noise of the likes of Man Utd, Liverpool, Newcastle, Stoke etc then this sort of marketing bollocks would not be needed. Fair enough Preston might be an exception but i did say "most" not all.

[Rex]

Floyd this was more in reference to the refinement of the shorter working week in industry, thus allowing greater leisure hours. The Saturday half day was introduced due to technological advances and thus allowed the developement and increasing support for football and football clubs still in their infancy. Football was therefore supported by the increasing number of working class industrial workers who could both afford to watch and travel to football games.

The loyalty and 'hotbed' was more prevalent in the midland / north east as a result of localised industry / collieries. Historically the working class could / would not nesesserily move out of their town or region of birth and had a greater affinity to their local football clubs.

The more affulent south - not totally reliant on the industrial boom in mining or the total eventual collapse in industry were classed as the more upwardly mobile middle class and as such were not tied to a locality or loyalty to a chosen area settled into.

Naturally as industry collapsed, morphed and progressed, the skill base evolved. The traditional image of the working class 'hotbed' evolved into what we now see today.

I take on board what you have written in your post and i apologise for the bad phrasing of my original post. That's the joys of working and being on HNA at the same time.

[Jerry St Clair]

Why is it most southern teams have to have support, for their team, forced.

Free flags at Arsenal tonight, Chelsea often give away free flags too, Reading doing rumblestix and clappers etc. Why? Northern teams have genuine passion for their club and don't have to be forced to create atmosphere especially in big games.

It's sometimes embarrassing to be a football supporter in the South

Have you ever been to Bolton?

"I feel good der der der der der der......"

[Deathy]

Why is it most southern teams have to have support, for their team, forced.

Free flags at Arsenal tonight, Chelsea often give away free flags too, Reading doing rumblestix and clappers etc. Why? Northern teams have genuine passion for their club and don't have to be forced to create atmosphere especially in big games.

It's sometimes embarrassing to be a football supporter in the South

Haven't read this thread so if I repeat something, tough.

But Sheffield United, Bolton and Blackburn fans have used Rumble Stix recently, to name but three.

[Seal]

Lets not beat about the bush, you just have to use some very basic stereotyping to get to the answer.

Loudest / most hardcore fans = toughest, working class fan bases

Highest proportion of tough, working class fan bases = up north

Southern teams which are an exception to this rule include West Ham & Millwall, which, shock horror, are in tough 'working class' areas of London.

End of.

[boy1985]

If our support has been 'manufactured' then its obviously faulty and we should send it back.

[AF1]

w/o reading all the other replies 'bviously its coz people down south have careers, mortgages, holidays, families and other more important things in their lives to worry about


People up north live dull, miserable lives in slums and football is the only thing they have worth caring about.

[BR2]

w/o reading all the other replies 'bviously its coz people down south have careers, mortgages, holidays, families and other more important things in their lives to worry about


People up north live dull, miserable lives in slums and football is the only thing they have worth caring about.

I thought you might have added a otherwise you must be a twat.

[soggy biscuit]

Eating coal every day for dinner gives northerners more energy than the truffles & caviar that us southern ponses eat.

[Wax Jacket]

w/o reading all the other replies 'bviously its coz people down south have careers, mortgages, holidays, families and other more important things in their lives to worry about


People up north live dull, miserable lives in slums and football is the only thing they have worth caring about.

I thought you might have added a otherwise you must be a twat.

he's right though

[AF1]

w/o reading all the other replies 'bviously its coz people down south have careers, mortgages, holidays, families and other more important things in their lives to worry about


People up north live dull, miserable lives in slums and football is the only thing they have worth caring about.

I thought you might have added a otherwise you must be a twat.

wat sort of cretin are you that you need smiley faces to know when someone is joking




i'm not though

[BR2]

w/o reading all the other replies 'bviously its coz people down south have careers, mortgages, holidays, families and other more important things in their lives to worry about


People up north live dull, miserable lives in slums and football is the only thing they have worth caring about.

I thought you might have added a otherwise you must be a twat.

wat sort of cretin are you that you need smiley faces to know when someone is joking

There are some typical Southern stereotypes on here that actually believe what you wrote and that life only exists in London and the Home Counties.
You needed to do a to show that you are not one of them otherwise you come across as a twat and cretin.




i'm not though

[who are ya?]

Maybe you should just try lightening up?

[Wax Jacket]

why is anyone sticking up for the north? it's so bad even Jay left