Man UTD and Real Madrid. Managerial Stability Vs Instability

[sandman]

Sir Alex Ferguson has been in charge of Manchester United for 24 years and in that time has won 11 league titles and 2 European Cups. In those same 24 years Real Madrid have won 10 league titles and 3 European Cups with 24 managers (although some have returned for second stints). Yes, Manchester United have won trophies like the FA Cup and the League Cup, but the Spanish equivalents either in the case of the former isn't taken as seriously or the latter does not exist.

It's always stated as a matter of fact that the United way of managerial stability is the key to success but is it ?

[Wax Jacket]

[Stranded]

Sir Alex Ferguson has been in charge of Manchester United for 24 years and in that time has won 11 league titles and 2 European Cups. In those same 24 years Real Madrid have won 10 league titles and 3 European Cups with 24 managers although some have returned for second stints. Yes, Manchester United have won trophies like the FA Cup and the League Cup, but the Spanish equivalents either in the case of the former isn't taken as seriously or the latter does not exist.

It's always stated as a matter of fact that the United way of managerial stability is the key to success but is it ?

Yes.

[sandman]

Stats would suggest it doesn't.

[SpaceCruiser]

Spanish football is like Scottish football - most of the time it's a two horse race and Real Madrid is always buying the best players in the world like Barcelona is.

[TBM]

Spanish football is like Scottish football - most of the time it's a two horse race and Real Madrid is always buying the best players in the world like Barcelona is.

Like in England then??

[sandman]

4 different clubs have won La Liga over the last 11 years. (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia and Deportivo La Coruna)
3 different clubs have won the Premier League in the same time. (Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal)

[TBM]

4 different clubs have won La Liga over the last 11 years. (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia and Deportivo La Coruna)
3 different clubs have won the Premier League in the same time. (Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal)

^^ my point exactly

Care to comment, Spacey?!

[Wax Jacket]

single comparison which has been chosen specifically rather than at random. you could also point at QPR having had 4 managers this year and suggest that, in comparison, United do suggest that managerial stability can help you win things

[sandman]

single comparison which has been chosen specifically rather than at random. you could also point at QPR having had 4 managers this year and suggest that, in comparison, United do suggest that managerial stability can help you win things

It's been chosen because the comparison has been made a lot of in the media recently and is related to two clubs of the same size. QPR have only recently come into money, they do not have the history of the two clubs mentioned, they do not compete in the top league in their country and they have not competed in the Champions League.

[TBM]

Spanish football is like Scottish football - most of the time it's a two horse race and Real Madrid is always buying the best players in the world like Barcelona is.

Like in England then??

4 different clubs have won La Liga over the last 11 years. (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia and Deportivo La Coruna)
3 different clubs have won the Premier League in the same time. (Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal)

^^ my point exactly

Care to comment, Spacey?!

No?............didn't think so

[Stranded]

Think you need to take into account that Utd were in a mess when he took over and it took him 6 years to sort them out.

Since the first title in 92/93 - Utd have won 11 titles in 18 years (and 2 CL's) - over the same time, Madrid have just 6 titles (and 3 CLs) - a marked difference.

[papereyes]

4 different clubs have won La Liga over the last 11 years. (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia and Deportivo La Coruna)
3 different clubs have won the Premier League in the same time. (Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal)

You don't just look at the winners, you look at the challengers.

Since 1998-99, when there were first 4 CL(including qualifying) places available ...

Spain has 'donated' Real Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia, Deportivo La Coruna, Mallorca, Zaragoza, Real Sociedad, Celta Vigo, Real Betis, Villareal, Osasuna, Sevilla and Atletico Madrid. 13.

England has 'donated' Arsenal, United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle, Leeds and Everton. 7.

nB England only first got 4 places in 01-02.

[Starfish]

4 different clubs have won La Liga over the last 11 years. (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia and Deportivo La Coruna)
3 different clubs have won the Premier League in the same time. (Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal)

^^ my point exactly

Care to comment, Spacey?!

Since we are talking about Ferguson's time in charge, shouldn't be go back to 1986.
Spain - 5 (Barcelona, Real Madrid, Valencia, Deportivo, Atlético Madrid).
England - 7 (Everton, Liverpool, Arsenal, Leeds, Manchester United, Blackburn Rovers, (& even) Chelsea).

Just being picky, but thereyougo.

[cmonurz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Re ... ._managers

Interesting that Pellegrini has the best win % of any manager in Real's history.

[TBM]

4 different clubs have won La Liga over the last 11 years. (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia and Deportivo La Coruna)
3 different clubs have won the Premier League in the same time. (Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal)

^^ my point exactly

Care to comment, Spacey?!

Since we are talking about Ferguson's time in charge, shouldn't be go back to 1986.
Spain - 5 (Barcelona, Real Madrid, Valencia, Deportivo, Atlético Madrid).
England - 7 (Everton, Liverpool, Arsenal, Leeds, Manchester United, Blackburn Rovers, (& even) Chelsea).

Just being picky, but thereyougo.

Think you need to take into account that Utd were in a mess when he took over and it took him 6 years to sort them out.

Since the first title in 92/93 - Utd have won 11 titles in 18 years (and 2 CL's) - over the same time, Madrid have just 6 titles (and 3 CLs) - a marked difference.

[FiNeRaIn]

How much money have Real spent since Ferguson took over, how much have united spent?

[Wimb]

Very, very hard to make a comparison between the two, especially if you're talking over 20 years.

However the fact that United have won back to back titles on numerous occassions and finished as runners up many times in between suggests they've been consistantly dominant for a number of years.

Also factor in the number of times United have made the final 4 of the CL and it would suggest they have been a far more consistant threat at least in the last 10 years.

[Wax Jacket]

actually the final 8 would be good for Real recently

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

There is also a massive difference in footballing culture.

The coach is seen as a lot more dispensable than the manager.