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[RoyalBlue]

Can someone just tell me... I don't want monthly payments, I avoid them wherever possible - including insurance, council tax even, and just prefer an annual or one-off fee.

Can I still benefit from the higher tiers by just paying a lump sum?

No.

Not saying that you're wrong but it seems crazy not to allow people to do that. What sane business wouldn't be happy to have people pay for a year up front?!

They can still insist on a twelve month blocks with three months' notice to terminate.

[Sutekh]

Can someone just tell me... I don't want monthly payments, I avoid them wherever possible - including insurance, council tax even, and just prefer an annual or one-off fee.

Can I still benefit from the higher tiers by just paying a lump sum?

No.

Not saying that you're wrong but it seems crazy not to allow people to do that. What sane business wouldn't be happy to have people pay for a year up front?!

They can still insist on a twelve month blocks with three months' notice to terminate.

Because

[Elm Park Kid]

We need to keep things in perspective and remember that we're just talking about loyalty points here. I know that we've 'gamified' lots of things in life and that people like the idea of getting 'higher scores'. But all they are are a mechanism to decide what fans should be able to go to the very few games we have where demand exceeds supply.

Personally, I think that the people that actually go to games the most regularly should be top of the queue. If you buy a season ticket and miss half the games for whatever reason then the person who does actually go to games should get priority. I appreciate that life happens and sometimes there are things more important that football - but maybe the person who puts football ahead of everything else is the one who deserves to go to the most games?

[Sutekh]

We need to keep things in perspective and remember that we're just talking about loyalty points here. I know that we've 'gamified' lots of things in life and that people like the idea of getting 'higher scores'. But all they are are a mechanism to decide what fans should be able to go to the very few games we have where demand exceeds supply.

Personally, I think that the people that actually go to games the most regularly should be top of the queue. If you buy a season ticket and miss half the games for whatever reason then the person who does actually go to games should get priority. I appreciate that life happens and sometimes there are things more important that football - but maybe the person who puts football ahead of everything else is the one who deserves to go to the most games?

I think it’s a step in the right direction and that the club need to sit down with STAR over the next month or two and work on the fan feedback so next year any of the identified “issues” can be addressed accordingly in some way. Can’t be easy to come up with things like this and get them right straight from the off!

I like the fact that there are now a number of options all with a decent number of benefits. Looking forward to seeing how the safe standing element is managed within this system.

[The Royal Forester]

Only getting the points when attending the matches, will in my view could encourage fans to attend even if feeling unwell. So, if somebody attends with a contagious illness, won't it be likely to spread to other fans? So it may be prudent if the bloke next to you sneezes and coughs to move away, if any seats are available.. I also fail to see why if you have paid for a seat, why you should be penalised by going to say, your sister's wedding. It seems that you can let the club resell you seat, if you advise them of non-attendance. Does the club repay the ST holder by the amount the club resells the seat for, or just make a bigger profit? If the latter, is it even legal?

[katweslowski]

Only getting the points when attending the matches, will in my view could encourage fans to attend even if feeling unwell. So, if somebody attends with a contagious illness, won't it be likely to spread to other fans? So it may be prudent if the bloke next to you sneezes and coughs to move away, if any seats are available.. I also fail to see why if you have paid for a seat, why you should be penalised by going to say, your sister's wedding. It seems that you can let the club resell you seat, if you advise them of non-attendance. Does the club repay the ST holder by the amount the club resells the seat for, or just make a bigger profit? If the latter, is it even legal?

Not sure if serious but I laughed anyway

[Brogue]

Only getting the points when attending the matches, will in my view could encourage fans to attend even if feeling unwell. So, if somebody attends with a contagious illness, won't it be likely to spread to other fans? So it may be prudent if the bloke next to you sneezes and coughs to move away, if any seats are available.. I also fail to see why if you have paid for a seat, why you should be penalised by going to say, your sister's wedding. It seems that you can let the club resell you seat, if you advise them of non-attendance. Does the club repay the ST holder by the amount the club resells the seat for, or just make a bigger profit? If the latter, is it even legal?

[RoyalBlue]

It seems a bit like they've just taken what they did at Wycombe and added all of the extra categories with additional costs for each.

https://tickets.wwfc.com/CMS?page=faqsseasontickets

I tried to look up more details but my anti-virus programme flagged their site up as 'Untrustworthy'!

[Delboy]

Great initiative from the club do not understand the negativity to everything.

[SouthDownsRoyal]

I saw the Facebook post about this. Several replies, and as expected all are just negative, bitter and moaning. "fold the club", "absolute joke", "what about us who have had season tickets for years..."

I really really oxf*rd despise our fans sometimes

Only Our fans? Sounds like Facebook in general and most fans of most clubs tbf

[parky]

Only getting the points when attending the matches, will in my view could encourage fans to attend even if feeling unwell. So, if somebody attends with a contagious illness, won't it be likely to spread to other fans? So it may be prudent if the bloke next to you sneezes and coughs to move away, if any seats are available.. I also fail to see why if you have paid for a seat, why you should be penalised by going to say, your sister's wedding. It seems that you can let the club resell you seat, if you advise them of non-attendance. Does the club repay the ST holder by the amount the club resells the seat for, or just make a bigger profit? If the latter, is it even legal?

Not a fan of people saying ridiculous things online, Kad?

[SouthDownsRoyal]

Only getting the points when attending the matches, will in my view could encourage fans to attend even if feeling unwell. So, if somebody attends with a contagious illness, won't it be likely to spread to other fans? So it may be prudent if the bloke next to you sneezes and coughs to move away, if any seats are available.. I also fail to see why if you have paid for a seat, why you should be penalised by going to say, your sister's wedding. It seems that you can let the club resell you seat, if you advise them of non-attendance. Does the club repay the ST holder by the amount the club resells the seat for, or just make a bigger profit? If the latter, is it even legal?

Not sure if serious but I laughed anyway

Same

[Gunny Fishcake]

It's a bit like BA Exec club, with all the differs levels like Gold to Blue , I think there will be very few takers for Elite especially while we're playing Div 1 dross. I feel it's unfair not giving loyalty points up front to season ticket holders who pay in one instalment or instalments, as I've done for many years to declare my interest .

The issue with loyalty points and attending away game is more of an issue in Div 1 as grounds are so much smaller, it wouldn't be an issue in the Championship

The club has to be very careful it doesn't antagonise the thousands of loyal season ticket holders , who have always been a fundamental source of income up front and arguably the biggest sign of loyalty you can show to a football club by buying a season ticket.

For me it's too complex and smacks of " American influence " clearly loyalty points is the biggest gripe, we're still playing in a shit league and suffering as a club for many years now , they need to be very careful they don't bite off the hand that feeds it.

[RG30]

Neil Peters due on the TTE podcast this week to discuss this.

[Linden Jones' Tash]

It's a bit like BA Exec club, with all the differs levels like Gold to Blue , I think there will be very few takers for Elite especially while we're playing Div 1 dross. I feel it's unfair not giving loyalty points up front to season ticket holders who pay in one instalment or instalments, as I've done for many years to declare my interest .

The issue with loyalty points and attending away game is more of an issue in Div 1 as grounds are so much smaller, it wouldn't be an issue in the Championship

The club has to be very careful it doesn't antagonise the thousands of loyal season ticket holders , who have always been a fundamental source of income up front and arguably the biggest sign of loyalty you can show to a football club by buying a season ticket.

For me it's too complex and smacks of " American influence " clearly loyalty points is the biggest gripe, we're still playing in a shit league and suffering as a club for many years now , they need to be very careful they don't bite off the hand that feeds it.

"The hand that feeds it" would be the owners/investors/lenders willing to plough in the £10's of Millions per League 1 Season the club absorbs just to function as it is....

Just making the point that bums on seats isn't the lever many people think it is anymore...

[RoyalBlue]

It's a bit like BA Exec club, with all the differs levels like Gold to Blue , I think there will be very few takers for Elite especially while we're playing Div 1 dross. I feel it's unfair not giving loyalty points up front to season ticket holders who pay in one instalment or instalments, as I've done for many years to declare my interest .

The issue with loyalty points and attending away game is more of an issue in Div 1 as grounds are so much smaller, it wouldn't be an issue in the Championship

The club has to be very careful it doesn't antagonise the thousands of loyal season ticket holders , who have always been a fundamental source of income up front and arguably the biggest sign of loyalty you can show to a football club by buying a season ticket.

For me it's too complex and smacks of " American influence " clearly loyalty points is the biggest gripe, we're still playing in a shit league and suffering as a club for many years now , they need to be very careful they don't bite off the hand that feeds it.

"The hand that feeds it" would be the owners/investors/lenders willing to plough in the £10's of Millions per League 1 Season the club absorbs just to function as it is....

Just making the point that bums on seats isn't the lever many people think it is anymore...

That is indeed true. However, it is surely equally true that without bums on seats (at the stadium and/or at home) then there is no point in them having a club and ploughing their money into it.

[katweslowski]

Had a proper read through the article now, and looked at the comparison table. Very big price differences between Elite/Standard/Core.

Core appears to be just like a normal season ticket and I think I will go for that one (assuming I will renew, which I very likely will).

I was thinking of Elite before reading properly, but almost all of the benefits I personally don't need or want.

- I won't attend academy games
- cup games I will pick and choose
- special concierge - don't need
- club shirt - don't need
- discount in the ground - not really worth it as I don't really spend much there, occasional coffee but that's it
- Audio pass to games - don't need
- Video pass - don't need

I don't know why the club don't look at Away Season tickets, or something similar. I know League One is hardly going to be as sought after, but some fans would value it and we did sell out a lot of games this season.

EDIT: on a side note, I like the idea. I think this is the correct idea. It's like a modular service - you can add these bolt-ons and extras. This will also work with other initiatives the club are looking at, and also I think it will become more popular when the new fanzone thing is built this summer, or they try to incentivise fans to attend earlier, or at least in greater numbers.

[Dirk Gently]

I don't know why the club don't look at Away Season tickets, or something similar. I know League One is hardly going to be as sought after, but some fans would value it and we did sell out a lot of games this season.

They have done in the past - ISTR in the PL years.

There's minimal benefit for the club - they get the 5% away club commission anyway, but it's an utter PITA to administer because there's no way of predicting what the prices of tickets will be at the start of the season so they have to take different payment amounts through teh season, and of course people's credit cards/bank accounts expire/get declined etc which all takes time and effort to chase up.

So while it's convenient for those fans who sign up, but an expensive admin nightmare.

Also it reduces the number of tickets available for those in the higher points tiers, so works against selling their new fancy One Royals unless they restrict it to only those in the top levels, which really defeats the object of anyone signing up for it.

[RG30]

The club still do away season tickets to those who were on the scheme back from the Premier League days. I know of at least one fan still on it.

[katweslowski]

Really? I had no idea - I had an away season ticket back in 06/07, thought they'd just stopped completely.

Interesting about the cost to administer and the fact they can never predict prices etc. If the league were more organised and had the inclination, they could somehow standardise prices and help drive away season tickets across the league as an organised thing